Thread: The Current Status of FFXIV Patch 3.1 and How to Address it Moving Forward

Velhart: Horizontal progression is a solution if Yoshi P can actually stick by it and not nerf content because lazy players don't want to work for something. If you can acheive something by investing time gil effort without it beeing useless in 3 months thats when Horizontal progression can actually work. During this thread you have been really negative towards all reusage of FFXI ideas it seems because you feel they have already been done before.
They can also be revamped and have more thought process into it. I'm like you I don't want a new FFXI but I wouldn't mind some of the content that made FFXI amazing. If Yoshi P and his team can put some thought process into the Horizontal progression and actually asking the JP/NA/EU members for opinions and living up to it some stuff can actually work.
The Relic quest can be where it starts. I haven't even bothered with starting the stage from i200 to i210 you know why? Cause I already know its going to be nerfed. Whats the point of doing it now when I can catch up with the rest eventually anyway? This is the gaming mentality that needs to be erased from this game. Make stuff rewarding make people work for it. If players are lazy then a relic might not be for them get the esoterics one it works just as good is not glowy. If you really want something then work for it its frustrating to see that people are giving handouts just because they pay for a subscription so they are entitled to everything you have with less effort they just don't have to be "first".

I remember Yoshi P said that the stats on gears atm is because the new generation of gamers want it simplistic? IMO why would you want to make something simplistic when there are games already that offer the simplistic stuff. The current way of dealing stats is extremly unpersonal. You know this yourself it does not stick out. FFXI jobs eventhough if they didn't feel balanced where unique and you understood that each job needed its unique status. Also SE should have really asked the players on how the jobs should have been instead of going all out and giving us AST DRK AND MCH in a way we maybe never wanted anyways. Why coulnd't MCH be a Corsair that used Dice and Cards and guns? Revamped with the turrets etc. AST could have been removed and just have been Red Mage or anything else. Sometimes tradition is good nothing wrong with new ideas but sometimes it can backfire. I still don't see a THF job in this game and why couldn't Rogue be a starting point for Ninja and Thief kinda like Arcanist where you got two jobs. One could be focused on ninjutsus and tools and other more focused on trick attacks sneakattacks evasion etc. Why wasn't the players asked about this? This is just an example whats done is done here. I'm not holding on into some precious FFXI dream I just love the FF brand and I love this MMORPG and I do not wish to see it fall apart because money wins over the heart and passion of the brand.

Dzian: I'm really happy to see I'm not alone sharing my views aswell. I want content thats rewarding like you. I don't want to work hard for something thats useless next month and then I have to work again for the new thing. I just don't understand why Yoshi P and his took almost 2 years making us do this for them to wake up and see we don't need the game like this. If the majority of the players are waking up and not wanting this crazy item hunt and want something different why not just give it to us. I'm not playing FFXIV because it reminds me of WoW I'm playing FFXIV because I want a FF MMORPG experience. If I wanted to play WoW I would go there if I wanted FFXI I would go there. If Yoshi P is gonna use elements from other MMORPGs then stop using elements from everything but FFXI. When FFXI elements are used most uf want more than item names from FFXI or creatures. We actually want stuff what made FFXI so unique.

Meaning we want a game that is rewarding but learn from FFXI aswell don't turn it into a grind fest where people feel they have to give up when they can't catch up fast enough. Add more worldmap content we all wanted bigger maps but we didnt want empty maps where there is nothing to do on them besides hunts fates and gathering stuff when we are out of heavensward quests. I really hope Yoshi P reads all comments here its alot of productive ideas coming from everyone even stuff that I usually wouldn't agree with but it might actually work.


Kaurie: I think you would have loved FFXI during its golden era. The way the game was built all the teamwork it required and how it punished you for mistakes plus the amazing level down sound effect LOL. Nah but seriously aside from a few negative stuff about FFXI that most of us can agree on. There are atleast 50 amazing things I can tell you about FFXI that Yoshi P could have learned and studied. Nothing to copy but study why that game was so great why its still functioning after 14 years and why players still enjoy that game to this day. Everything isnt because of the nostalgia feeling. I promise you if FFXI as it is now had a graphics revamp so many players would leave for it I can almost guarantee it. Enough of that though.

Good things about FFXI offered me the following:
An epic storyline
hard content that was enjoyable and rewarding
Understanding that I'm not playing skyrim where I think I'm a one man army that can solo everything.
I had to play with respect and not a 10 year old child or I would have been filtered out quick and not getting help. Meaning douchebags get filtered out quick like early pullers for hunts etc like we have now would have been demolished.
A game soundtrack that was more than just rock music and chanting for almost every track of the game.
An overwhelming amount of spells abilities for almost all classes.
Alot of teamplay content meaning even my jobquests I couldn't do solo like im doing now and I had to bring people with me. I'm playing an MMORPG afterall if I want to solo stuff I can go to Fallout Skyrim and Witcher.
Gears that where valuable for many years to come and stuff didnt get outdated because of some weird chase for having the latest item thats usless by march like it is here.
Relic weapons where enjoyable they grew with you and they actually still do. They didnt ruin the relics from FFXI instead they could evolve to level 99 now something that Yoshi P should really take into consideration and learn from.
Relics also took time effort gil and teamwork to obtain!
Summons in FFXI didn't look like pokemons like they do here and especially not like some WoW Warlock either.
Ninja as ninja in FFXI and wasnt a combination of Ninja and Thief like it is on FFXIV.
Gear stats where amazing.
Merit points system where you could customize your character as you please.
You could actually borrow gears to your friends in FFXI and help them with content without this strange spiritbond system.
There was more to do than just Alexander Savage. You had so much endgame content to do it was crazy.
etc:

Bad things about FFXI imo:
Waiting forever for a party (something thats way better in FFXIV)
It was unforgiving if you didn't play alot you could'nt catch up and had to quit and thats not fun for anyone.
Abyssea
Also weekly lockouts during dynamis aht urghan relic areas etc.
No guidelines on where to go etc you where so lost.
It dependent a bit too much on alot of players.
It was too much of a competition feeling at times.

The list goes on but you would have loved FFXI.

FFXIV is amazing its just that its over 2 years now and along this way they have to listen more to what the non casual market wants. Sadly the Casuals are also trend jumpers meaning the next MMORPG that comes they will just go to that and we will be stuck with feeding a market of whats "hot right now in mmorpgs".

I just don't want my favourite MMORPG at current time get ruined thats all. Forgive me for writing so much if I didn't care about FFXIV and the future of it I wouldn't be so determined to voice my opinion.

Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

If the majority of the players are waking up and not wanting this crazy item hunt and want something different why not just give it to us.

Unfortunately, I think you'll find that in the long run it's far from a majority of players that want something more like FFXI's structure. There's not, to my knowledge, any horizontal progression game that has a subscriber base as large as this one's (with perhaps roughly 700k actively playing subscribers and more that are subscribed) and definitely none with a population anywhere approaching WoW's. From what I recall, FFXI peaked at somewhere between 500k and 750k subscribers, but how many of those were actually active is anyone's guess. FFXIV is a much younger game with more subscriptions than that, at least judging by what data's available to us, as is WoW, and part of what makes that possible is that the "vertical treadmill" is better at encouraging players to continue subscribing.

I would like to see more variety in gear stats and also more variety in the number of gear sets available for any given raid tier (and personally I think perhaps a 9 month cycle for raid tiers, as opposed to a 6 month one, with larger raids would suit me better), but given the current state of the MMO market and what consumers in general seem to want, any major shifts to horizontal progression as a whole for FFXIV are very unlikely.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

GW2 Stuff

True, I probably should have been a little more specific. Guild Wars 2 is a bit of a special case in that it's a lot closer to a game like Diablo III than it is a more traditional subscription MMO, in addition to being entirely free to play. If Guild Wars 2 had a subscription fee on top of a focus on horizontal progression, I don't know that it would be as popular as it is.

As I mentioned, I do think there's room for some more horizontal aspects in XIV, and I'd honestly like to see them here, but I can't imagine we'll ever see a full-scale shift to it, as the subscription aspect seems pretty central to SE's business model for the game. They're also, I have to assume, very wary of full-scale shifts. They tried a couple times to move FFXI to a more vertical model (in the Abyssea era, and more recently with Seekers of Adoulin), and the player backlash, and indeed, subscription bleed, was hugely significant. The people playing the game liked the way it was, and although FFXI had stopped growing, the developers probably learned that a game has a certain natural level beyond which it probably won't expand, despite any massive changes to the overall structure.

That makes me doubt that they'll do anything major to change FFXIV's underlying structure, which have proven to be far more successful than FFXIV was at launch (and also more successful than FFXI ever was).