Thread: The Current Status of FFXIV Patch 3.1 and How to Address it Moving Forward

Velhart: People just want FFXI elements that are rewarding not a mindless grind that will be nerfed in 3 months and unrewarding. I think that speaks for more than just the relic but since we can't have everything people seem to be wanting for the relic to be rewarding fun time consuming and that it feels like an actual acheivement and not something thats useless by march/april. Even if you seem to be so anti FFXI for some reason and saying its two different games Yoshi P uses alot of elements and ideas from other games too might aswell use some FFXI elements the right way? (Diadem don't count LOL). Do dungeon x get item ex use item X to pop boss to get item X for relic on the world map. Boss has to be hard too where you need to actually get help from other people to do it. Not instances not a fate something you can pop with item x and have any random people from the worldmap helping you. <-- If you read alot of the comments people are wanting something similiar to this and don't take this the wrong way this is not anything negative I'm just trying to understand why you are so anti ideas like that? Is it because they where used in FFXI and it isnt something "new"? If Final Fantasy XIV has over 5m people most of this will be new content for alot of people. FFXI at its peak had 1m subs wich means 4m other people get to experience something thats new to them.

Originally Posted by Alahra

I suspect the number that do is larger than you realize. People play and pay for this game primarily because it provides them with entertainment, and there are numerous reports of servers that are experiencing more active PF participation lately, much of which can be attributed to the Anima questline. While there are players who will indeed do things they don't like to in order to achieve a goal, I'd be willing to bet even those players at least find the goal for its own sake fun.

The wealth of criticism on the forums is slowly dying down when nothing has really swelled up to replace it, which suggests that there's not really a continued disappointment with the quest from the larger playerbase to me.

It is a ilvl210 weapon, it is an upgrade, especially to people who are still trying to tackle Savage. Of course people are going to do it if there is a reason. It doesn't make it more fun. When people are dedicated to a character, or wanting any type of advantage to get content they cannot clear done, of course they are going to do it, no matter how poorly designed it is. It doesn't make my point less relevant that they need to focus on the fun factor as much as the grind.

Everything dies down eventually because people usually give in or quit the game. You can only beat a dead horse of a topic but so much. I am very sure that most people would vote that the quest line is very disappointing, uninspired, and lazy.

Originally Posted by Alahra

I suspect the number that do is larger than you realize. People play and pay for this game primarily because it provides them with entertainment, and there are numerous reports of servers that are experiencing more active PF participation lately, much of which can be attributed to the Anima questline. While there are players who will indeed do things they don't like to in order to achieve a goal, I'd be willing to bet even those players at least find the goal for its own sake fun.

The wealth of criticism on the forums is slowly dying down when nothing has really swelled up to replace it, which suggests that there's not really a continued disappointment with the quest from the larger playerbase to me.

I guess I just don't see a point in posting the same argument over and over and over, when clearly Square Enix doesn't care. I complained a lot until they posted their response to criticism, and showed that they just don't give an F.

I completed my relic, grind wasn't so bad, but it was still beyond horribly implemented. Release timing was off, glamours suck, pre-glamorus are copy pastes, quest line is lack luster, stats on most are subpar, and duties to make you get it are uninspired and obnoxious (crafting/gil hole?).

Ultimately though, what I hated most, was that for the past 2-3 weeks, i wasn't able to do anything I wanted in the game. I mean outside of the desire to have my weapon before my raid met up this week (succeeded!). I had just started to do a bunch of 2ndary stuff, such as leveling my BLM, and quickly it was all tossed to the side. I'd even regret queuing for roulettes, because the second I got in an S rank would spawn and I'd leave to go kill it. I began to just stop doing most roulettes. When FC mates asked for help 'nop, must hunts'. I was just encouraged to do everything I could to be as unsocial to my FC, unhelpful to my friends and have the least amount of fun for the past 3 weeks. It's now over, and I can continue to enjoy this game.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

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Hey girl, congrats!

I agree with your complaints about the grind but most of them are minor to me except the 1.stats issue (seriously, they better fix that with the materia/customization step) and the 2.crafting issue (I know they want to encourage crafting, but they should have made it faster or easier for crafters, not a gate for everyone). Hopefully they will respond to that criticism, but I'm not holding my breath.

You make a good point about having to postpone other things you like to do in game to focus on it. That is actually really sad and I bet you're thrilled that it's over (I would be)! BUT, at the same time you sacrificed those other things to meet your self-imposed time goal for raiding. It's not like everyone is forced to sacrifice things they love by DESIGN; they will just get the relic a little slower. Throwing your face against it (while I'm glad that's an option and it's not time-gated like eso) kinda is against the grain so-to-speak and there will be consequences for choosing to do it that way. Just a thought.

I'm not so much defending the current relic quest line as stating why it is. I'm also realistic in the resources available to produce it and am happy to have it even as it is rather than not have it at all because they didn't have enough spare resource toproduce unique content for it.

By the same page I will point out again that there are things like puzzles that many players are very much against. Even the very simple puzzles of the Broom quests were too much for some people.

I do however think more variety in ways to progress the quest would be a good thing. However this wouldn't lower the amount of grind, simply what you chose to grind because the grind is part of the justification for the reward in the first place.

I would make two points about the relics.

First, I don't like the RNG aspects even though they allow the option at least for levelling alternate Jobs. I would far prefer a system like lights where you 'charged' the luminous crystals with a chance on every FATE for a bonus spike of charge with perhaps the special FATEs having an increased chance of a bonus. RNG is rarely a good mechanic in any grinding scenario unless its well mitigated by alternate progression options.

Secondly, I think one way the new anima chain is very much superior to the old chain is the amount of options of what content we can gain progression from doing. This makes the grind far less cumbersome since we can gain progress from stuff we were doing anyway. I would also think opening it up further to include things like EX tokens and such would be a good thing, as long as people understood it wouldn't make it any faster. The weapon is going to be a grind. You want a weapon of that level by doing hard content you should be doing the hard content that rewards a weapon of a similar level.

Im very much keen to see them experiment with quests and puzzles and such. I don't however think the relic/anima questline it the place for it. Too many people who will be attracted to the anima weapons won't want to see content like that or find it fun.

Ex Primal - yes!
Crystal Tower - yes!

These two content DF is taking more than hours... = god damn dead content ...
Stop rescuing your lol FATE and get these content back to live. They are far more better content than lol FATE grinding...