Thread: The Current Status of FFXIV Patch 3.1 and How to Address it Moving Forward

Im in complete confusion as to how development with relics come to this conclusion, Ifrit titan and garuda WAS FUN! People ENJOYED IT! they felt amazing SATISFACTION from finally getting their items. Hard modes wasn't an amazingly hard content, in the slightest. it was just right in terms of effort and reward and was a challenge to overcome utilizing brand new exciting content. How many people have you guys even talked to and discovered that they didnt enjoy the way you got those weapons? For gods sake impediment polls for questions you want to ask to get accurate information on the true enjoyment of your players please. I've personally not seen any players who enjoy rehashed grinding EVER.

You have essentially (in my personal opinion) Taken an amazing idea that tied into the main story amazingly well, that had satisfaction reward and was actually interesting and turned it into .. well... something completely boring

Just for information i completed two relics without any nerf's only completed second and third coil when echo was implemented, i am in no way a hardcore raider. But relic always gave be something to work toward, and Felt amazing whenyou finally got this brilliant weapon to show off before the rehashing kicked in.

Id personally urge you to reconsider this. Id loved and played this game since before 2.1. but im just watching the life of things that was amazing start to be drained away

But thats my 2 cents.

Can we please fix ALC potion crafts back to 2.x while we're at it? You want to help people meet dps checks, make potions easier to craft, with the old 3-per-craft yield back, and mats that aren't gated behind ephemeral nodes, gated further behind RNG.

Originally Posted by Belhi

snip

Here is where the sad thing lies in relic weapons. If the developers intend to make it for people who want to go the easy yet long route to getting the weapon, then whatever. However, their team who are suppose to be making fun content believes that only mindless grinds should be in it. I remember they used interesting content back then like puzzles that couldn't simply be looked up on a guide since people's quest were different from one another. It was very interesting and fun, and also did not require much out of the player besides working your brain. Why can't there be steps like this between the grind? Why can't developers put something fun in between the grinds. Use methods that goes strongly into the lore, keeping things interesting. You don't have to use battle content, it doesn't have to be 100% mindless grind the way through. Just give people some time to breath and not hitting the same mob for days/weeks.

As much as I disagree with SE's approach to relics, they have to at least attempt to be creative in doing these quests. Not simply slap old content together and tell people to bang their heads on the keyboard till they receive a prize. All they care about right now is taking the easy route out, not actually caring about being creative.

Originally Posted by Belhi

snip

I cannot agree to any of this. You are basically saying that SE should not do anything to shake things up even at casual level game play. People are not asking for them to make the relic quest where you need to beat bosses harder than Thordan or Savage. What people are asking is to at least put some breathing room in the relic quest line. It doesn't have to be difficult content, but it should be fun content. Something to get you out of that grind mind set, even if it is just for a little while. I think you have failed as a company when you have tons of people dreading on how not creative the quests is and they are not fun at all, then you make an excuse on why it has to be not fun. The very same people who preach that if people are not having fun with it, you did something wrong.

Seriously, wouldn't of it been great instead of running old dungeons from ARR again which in itself took no time at all, you instead offer an interesting puzzle that has you going around the world finding clues, then working together with the community to put the pieces together, figure it out, then finish the quest and continue on your new grind. It is called breathing room where you don't go from a painful grind to another painful grind. It just blows a fuse in a lot of people.

You are not going to make any content without shaking up the community a bit, its going to happen no matter what. Why not attempt to give them something they didn't know they wanted? SE lost it's creativity and is now just putting mindless grinds in and poor attempts to bring FFXI like content into this game. All they can accomplish is getting people back in the game for a short while before they head off again. They barely do anything now to influence people to stay in. Playing too much into the safe route and catering too heavily on the casual audience, they are going to learn the hard way that it is not a good idea. Again, they think only short term, not long.

It feels like at this point that FFXIV doesn't know what it wants to be anymore and we all suffer for it.

Originally Posted by Velhart

Here is where the sad thing lies in relic weapons. However, their team who are suppose to be making fun content believes that only mindless grinds should be in it... Why can't developers put something fun in between the grinds. Use methods that goes strongly into the lore, keeping things interesting.

As much as I disagree with SE's approach to relics, they have to at least attempt to be creative in doing these quests. Not simply slap old content together and tell people to bang their heads on the keyboard till they receive a prize. All they care about right now is taking the easy route out, not actually caring about being creative.

Great post Velhart. I totally agree.

While we may disagree about the potential for a Long-Term Goal-type Relic (FFXI Style), your post summarizes a fundamental flaw with the current Relic Quest, even as is (short-term, eclipsed every other patch).

It's the most lazy, uninspired, boring quest we have in FF XIV, easily. It's sad: Just replay old dungeons, old content, and grind mindlessly until you achieve the target number.

I would still like Yoshi P to consider a Long-Term, Always Viable version of the Relic (where it's Alternative Content with its own unique challenges), but if it had to be kept as is (for casual only), at least make it more interesting.

Heck, they could RE-USE pre-existing 3D Models of various Monsters in the world, and rename them to be special "NMs", throw in some ambushes, or script some battles (that *don't* have to be super hard), and take you across various parts of the world and it'd be infinitely better than the garbage that is the current Anima Weapon Quest.

Based on the feedback that we have been receiving, we will be lowering the difficulty of Alexander: Midas (Savage) that will be implemented in Patch 3.2, while simultaneously setting the item level of the Savage weapon and the item level of the new Allagan tomestone weapon to be different. We would like to revamp the overall balance moving forward with these changes.

Is this really going to fix the problem with end game players who have quit because the current savage is still hard?

Even if the next set of raids is easier, very few will going to see them unless, either the current raids are nerfed or the requirement of beating the current raid to progress to the next raid is dropped. So what is actually going to happen with 3.2? Will there be nerfs and echo to the old savage or will it just not be a requirement to do Midas?

Originally Posted by Zumi

Is this really going to fix the problem with end game players who have quit because the current savage is still hard?

Even if the next set of raids is easier, very few will going to see them unless, either the current raids are nerfed or the requirement of beating the current raid to progress to the next raid is dropped. So what is actually going to happen with 3.2? Will there be nerfs and echo to the old savage or will it just not be a requirement to do Midas?

Most likely you'll only have to clear Midas NM to unlock Savage, since NM is the canon story and Savage is the Minstrel's deliberate re-imagining of what happened.