Would it kill you to wait?

[Avorniel]

Watch ur CS in inn or just watch it there. Tbh this is so old topic already. You CANT force people to wait 30+ min for you only, and that +100 poetics aint worth the wait anyway. SE learned this mistake already, so lets just this go away, enjoy the game, play as you like.

hmm you say play as you like..yet tell players to go watch the CS in the Inn...it's not really how some would like to play the game is it ..

It's a two edge sword really no one will ever be happy with the current options hence I think they need to add more options to DF as PT can take way to long to get likeminded players togther,I tried it today and after 3 hours in uk prime time I had 3 players and they were not even new either.

[Darkstride]

You can't really blame players in either side for this issue. It's poor design on SE's part.

Personally I don't even queue for Main Story Roulette because I don't want to repeat the same lengthy cutscenes every single day or deal with the related cutscene drama. The bonus isn't worth it. Sadly, if everyone else did the same and avoided it, you would have a much smaller number of players queuing for these dungeons. That results in absurd queue times for new players. Either way, there's a complaint and no solution will make everyone happy 100% of the time.

I do agree that if you absolutely have to watch every cutscene and are unable to handle the rest of the party moving on without you, then it's best to make a group in Party Finder for that purpose.

Duty Finder is generally used by people who are grinding tomes, and especially with the new relic quest, people want to grind them quickly. I find this to be equally as understandable as wanting to enjoy the cutscenes.

[Februs]

You can't really blame players in either side for this issue. It's poor design on SE's part. Personally I don't even queue for Main Story Roulette because I don't want to repeat the same lengthy cutscenes every single day or deal with the related cutscene drama. The bonus isn't worth it.

Basically this.

The fact is that a end-game player can run both their Extreme Roll and lvl 60 Roll in the time it takes to watch all those cutscenes. Even if we're assuming the "new player bonus" is allotted because of letting new players watch CS's (which it's not, because bonuses are handed out for every dungeon regardless of if there are cutscenes or a MSQ dungeon) no amount of bonus is worth it when I can make up that bonus faster doing other content.

Not to mention the fact that no one is twisting any arms saying "skip dem cutscenes." Most of the time, when I get new players in MSQ, the group usually just tells them to watch the CS's because they are not required for the rest of us to progress. The content is so out of date that it can be cleared without the full team or even proper jobs. So, as long as the group isn't progressing so fast that the cutscenes overlap, it's not a problem. Watch as many as you want and enjoy the easy carry, and fill in any blanks in an Inn after the fact.

It's fine to ask older players to be considerate, but if you're gonna ask that of them then you have to do the same for yourself. It's not the fault of an end-gamer that new players are late to the game and missed the content when it was current. Further, chances are those same new players will be in the same boat as the old players by the time they get caught up to current content. Once someone asks you to hit pause on your grind and watch cutscenes that are old you'll feel that same inconvenience as the rest of us. Come back to this thread when you get to that level and tell me honestly that you don't hear the sound of the other shoe. I can tell you right now that you probably will, because we've all been on both sides of this fence.

[Knahli]

I'd appreciate an option next to the 'Join in progress' checkbox that allows first timers to choose a special version of the run that doesn't let you proceed any further into the dungeon until they have finished watching every cutscene as they arrive to them and tome farmers can get double the reward by deliberately participating in a run that will take longer. That way, everyone knows what they are getting into and veterans still have a good incentive to put up with it.

It doesn't matter how many times I have run it, I always feel bad for people that want to enjoy the story and are just told to watch it at the inn(which is not the same thing). Even though I was slow to progress through the story on my main, my friend and I were extremely lucky to get two consecutive parties that were more than happy to allow us to watch the cutscenes in both instances despite being outnumbered. I am very grateful for that and I wish other people had the same amount of consideration for the modern new player. It's not like first-timers are that common, let alone ones that care enough to watch the cutscenes, and I have never seen anyone say "Sorry, but I really joined this with the hope of getting it done quickly since I have other things to do", just people who were basically like "pfff, screw that."

[Jonnycbad]

Thank god for 3.0 story fights, the content was created such that the majority of the cutscenes take place BEFORE you gain access to the raid, and AFTER you beat the raid, rather than between sequences/bosses. By making the final fight of 3.0 a trial rather than an annoying 30min raid with 50min of cutscenes that Praetorium is, it alleviated a lot of crap. Like in 2.0 you get Castrum Meridium and Praetorium which both have tons of cut scenes. In 3.0 you get Aetherochemical Plant and Singularity Reactor which is a 4man 20min dungeon and a 10min trial battle.

[Balzaque]

Getting back into the game this last month and finally finishing up the main story yesterday it really annoys me how bad of an experience all max level story raids are. They did such a great job on all leveling dungeons with proper scaling and synching when someone with a higher level joined the group that I don't understand how they could do such poor job on those raids.

I'm not even talking about making it face roll but there should be mechanics in place to prevent most of the abuse and speedrun those groups do, being able to run non stop, ignore every single enemy and click on a teleport is really lame. IMO this isreally bad on immersion considering how good the story is up to that point and how you are excited to see the climax of the story unfold and then it is just a broken run to the end where almost nothing makes sense.

I really hope when I reach max level the new story raids are handled a little bit better but I'm not there yet to judge =P

[B_Strix9]

This happened to me too, at first, I skipped the entrance cutscene and we just got done with the first boss, not even 2 seconds and they left me, before i could get on the elevator I was also a healer so then I just decided well I may as well as watch the cut scenes since they are rude anyways.. I was trying to be polite even though I haven't seen them. I think they we're arguing on my behalf about kicking me too? I couldn't type anything because ps4 the text menu isn't there on C/S. Luckily some people defended me and I was allowed to stay I did end up sadly skipped the last two cutscenes of the final two bosses.. They were making fun of me saying i should change my name to "watches cutscenes" extremely rude!

[FunkyBunch]

I tell people to watch the cutscenes if it's their first time through. You only need about 5 people to finish Mainline anyways (and can still finish in about 20 mins) and I'd much rather people watch the cutscenes and have the run take longer. The cutscenes are great and some of them like in Bahamut are as good or better than the MSQ.
If it's your first time. Watch the cutscenes. You can do the dungeon for the fights later.

It makes me sad when people rush new players or new players quit because they are stressed about not keeping up. The story is great. Enjoy. Veteran players can suck it up.

[Duuude007]

I'd appreciate an option next to the 'Join in progress' checkbox that allows first timers to choose a special version of the run that doesn't let you proceed any further into the dungeon until they have finished watching every cutscene as they arrive to them and tome farmers can get double the reward by deliberately participating in a run that will take longer. That way, everyone knows what they are getting into and veterans still have a good incentive to put up with it.

It doesn't matter how many times I have run it, I always feel bad for people that want to enjoy the story and are just told to watch it at the inn(which is not the same thing). Even though I was slow to progress through the story on my main, my friend and I were extremely lucky to get two consecutive parties that were more than happy to allow us to watch the cutscenes in both instances despite being outnumbered. I am very grateful for that and I wish other people had the same amount of consideration for the modern new player. It's not like first-timers are that common, let alone ones that care enough to watch the cutscenes, and I have never seen anyone say "Sorry, but I really joined this with the hope of getting it done quickly since I have other things to do", just people who were basically like "pfff, screw that."

Unless the bonus tome reward is greater than ANY other tome grindable content in the same given time, that will NEVER work. If you lock out progression with mandatory idling, you will undermine vets' core motivations to queue in the first place . Which directly undermines your ability to get into said dungeon in any reasonable amount of time.

[Malicewolf]

I tell people to watch the cutscenes if it's their first time through. You only need about 5 people to finish Mainline anyways (and can still finish in about 20 mins) and I'd much rather people watch the cutscenes and have the run take longer. The cutscenes are great and some of them like in Bahamut are as good or better than the MSQ.
If it's your first time. Watch the cutscenes. You can do the dungeon for the fights later.

It makes me sad when people rush new players or new players quit because they are stressed about not keeping up. The story is great. Enjoy. Veteran players can suck it up.

I disagree only because there are people like me whom HATE not knowing how a dungeon works. I'm fine redo'ing a dungeon if need be (especially one I know I will be re-runing again and again at some point). What I can't stand is not knowing what I have to do.

So I usually tell the new players right off the bat, if you wanna know how the dungeon is progressed, skip cutscenes to keep up with the group and I'll slow the speed down a bit (as i am usually MT during). But I always tell them if they wish to watch the cut-scenes, then feel free to do so, but unfortunately, it will be at the expense of them doing anything in the dungeon/knowing what to do.

I wouldn't halt an entire group by an extra 30 min for a single new player (or even 2).