DPS Potential of All Classes in Savage Alex

[Critical-Limit]

Play a warrior, people ask for 2k nin parse because they can't put up numbers that top tier players are putting up already.

/logic.

I'm not here for you to learn your class, I'm just telling you from what I've seen people do. If you can't do the research yourself, it doesn't help anyone that you post here about class balance.

A simple no would have sufficed. I get the feeling you're referring to random spike damage while parsing and not the overall parse of the entire fight which is why people want to see an example.

It's basic debate... You make a claim if someone doubts you and asks for proof. If you don't provide it but instead attack it makes you look like you don't have anything to back up your claim.

[Critical-Limit]

You could stop all debate immediately if you just throw up 2k DPS parses. But instead you dance around it.

So someone could come in here and say BRDs should be doing 1.9k dPS. And claim they see it everywhere but instead of showing proof when asked, they get to just say "you're bad if you can't do it I see it everywhere." Suddenly everyone has to believe them. If I was in your shoes I would wipe the smug off his post with a parse. But you didn't why is that?

[Tsilyi]

Oh boy, back to reddit with you. If you're not parsing 2k on monk/nin which we see people doing in PUGS now, then its either gear or player skill. The monk in my group pushed 1400 during multiple phases of the fight BEFORE 200 ilvl weapons with 180/190 gear.

I mean, there are no 2k single target parses in that whole googledoc you listed. There aren't even 2k parses with encounters with two targets like a1s. So... the question is, is the googledoc you are listing extremely out of date (and if so why are you linking it), or is it up to date?

[Ashkendor]

Oh boy, back to reddit with you. If you're not parsing 2k on monk/nin which we see people doing in PUGS now, then its either gear or player skill. The monk in my group pushed 1400 during multiple phases of the fight BEFORE 200 ilvl weapons with 180/190 gear.

2k on monk/ninja in pugs... do you mean spike damage or overall DPS? Cause um. No?

I mean, there are no 2k single target parses in that whole googledoc you listed. There aren't even 2k parses with encounters with two targets like a1s. So... the question is, is the googledoc you are listing extremely out of date (and if so why are you linking it), or is it up to date?

He's probably talking about A2S again. Of course anyone with any AoE attacks is going to have vastly bloated numbers in a 10 minute long glorified trash pull. In his OP he mentioned DPS classes doing 2500 DPS, but that doesn't happen in any other floor of Savage.

The funny part is that he then said that we should discount warrior DPS in that same floor. xD

The top 160+ spots are dominated by SMN with a couple of BLM in there, but once you get down into the 2200 range there are indeed a couple of monks sitting there. I honestly think there's so few since people have melee drive the walker.

[Critical-Limit]

2k on monk/ninja in pugs... do you mean spike damage or overall DPS? Cause um. No?



He's probably talking about A2S again. Of course anyone with any AoE attacks is going to have vastly bloated numbers in a 10 minute long glorified trash pull. In his OP he mentioned DPS classes doing 2500 DPS, but that doesn't happen in any other floor of Savage

"For God sakes theres youtube videos of people parsing 1200 on dummies with ravana weapon when the game launched."

This comment here also makes me believe he ment single target.

[Ashkendor]

"For God sakes theres youtube videos of people parsing 1200 on dummies with ravana weapon when the game launched."

This comment here also makes me believe he ment single target.

OP cleared A1S, you'd think he would know all about downtime and comparing actual raid parses to dummy parses. :|

[Syzygian]

Funny thing is if he's talking about spikes, 2k is pretty low for a melee dps. DRK and WAR spike higher than that even in the hands of an average player.

[G-Hand]

I dont know man you'd think he might step back and maybe check my lodestone to see what I have cleared and seen that its everything, but that might be giving him too much credit in the ways of mental prowess. That being said if he is talking about burst then 2500 is kinda on the low end for DPS in gear. A2S cant really count because it is SMN the floor. The only fights that really count these are A3S and A4S and even then you have to look at kill time because A4S can be pushed so that people dont have to die or handle nissi.

[CGMidlander]

That 1925.08 A4S parse for DRG is absurd and fake lol
There's no way to achieve that on a fight-length dummy parse, let alone an actual fight with downtime.
The image link for the parse is broken too.

[CookieMonsta]

This is the most mentally inept thing that I have seen in the past few days. First i would like you to point me to a 2k NIN parse please, If you have it I want it. Secondly a good player may be stuck with bad groups for a number of reasons, the two most common are they do not have the time to put in to be with a static and 2 is that we are at a .x5 patch where most good groups are established and whether they are preparing for the new raid content or are taking a break.


Also just for non bait purposes the true DPS potentials to my knowledge are as follows (for single target mostly A3S and A4S):
PLD: ~900 if you push it on a good run
WAR: ~1100-1200
DRK: ~1100
MNK: ~1400
DRG: ~1300
NIN: ~1200-1300
BLM: ~1200-1300
SMN: ~1200-1300
BRD: ~1200
MCH: ~1200
WHM: unsure all of my WHM's have been solo healing
SCH: ~500 i think can get as high as 800
AST: havnt played with one in a raid.

NOTE: This is assuming full i210 BiS and is around what I would expect in very ideal cases from fights like A3S and A4S obviously party comp/start/deaths and other things will change these.

I can concur these numbers are accurate for standard party compositions.

I don't place too much bearing on those DPS ranking numbers that are being put up. There are 2 crucial pieces of data missing:
1. Party composition, I'm 99% certain all those top parses contain an AST feeding the Parser
2. Clear time: this is so so important, if the party clears faster, everybody gets a higher DPS since the time elapsed from the burst numbers is less. There are a fair few cases where a high ranking guy has a high DPS parse if only because his party cleared the fight exceptionally fast. If you want true DPS, go to the FFlogs, take the DPS numbers, multiply by the clear time in seconds and divide by a standard clear time (normally the enrage time e.g. 150 seconds on faust).

A4S parse numbers is also dependent on RnG, if a DPS is getting quarantined a lot, it will drop the numbers considerably.