Yes another one of those threads. But maybe a point of view you should consider?

[Loke]

*Made a new topic, the TC refers to December making this topic:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ge-cya-in-2013...

And Solace's reply on page 22: forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/27379-Not-the-time-to-charge-cya-in-2013.../page22

Well, I'm a bit inebriated and drank some red bull, and though I don't give my two cents much, I guess I will at this point. I also expect not many of you care.

First off, just got back from deployment a year ago, still got money saved up, so that's not the issue.

One issue is I might be deployed again soon, which would be a big issue, but on to the main topic.

I'd have to agree with the TC, and Solace's above post, if you're gonna give us 50% of a game, it should be 50% of the price.

--Note: This may, and probably will be, long winded.--

Most of the players on here, keep saying the game is in beta, it will get better. You've also been saying this for over a years time. "Oh, it will get better." Next patch: "Oh it will get better." How many of them ended up giving up hope after a while? Even though I came back, I know there were times when I did. Well after coming back post-1.19 (And before, but most of that was logging in, saying high, and then hitting alt+f4), 1.19 is actually quite enjoyable. Though 10-20 seems to be a pain since I started this new character.

I'm on the fence atm, but I'm leaning more towards the TC's and Solace's POV. Squeenix released a pos game to begin with, and now, they are telling us to pay for their mistakes, and fund the game they wanna rebuild.. I'd pay, mainly for the community of people I've met since beginning this game, and people I've known since FFXI. Really, the laggy UI is still boring. Removing ability queuing made it even worse. Blah blah blah, you've all heard it a hundred times before. But maybe what you don't realize or remember, is how barren the game used to be.

Look at some of the first post about the subscriptions, asking people if they will leave the game. They seemed to be half and half, and then there's those on the fence (like myself). Take this into account when Old-ah (yes, I spelled it my friend's way(stolen from Azarim Erro)), and remember back when you ONLY saw people in Oldah. Gridania and LL where player barren wastelands of copy pasted environments. You should also think about how this is seen by new players, or those who just like a fresh start. The game is now more party orientated (YAY!!!).

But what happens when new players, or in some cases, new characters, create and find no one to group with? And all of the fanboys/white knights/current players, have all jobs @ 50 (or Disciples that they care about), and just sit there spamming standard synthesis to get their crafting up? What will the new players do then? Sit in Oldah, spamming {Experience Points} {Spiritbond} {Do you need it?} for hours on end till someone finally sends them a /tell like FFXI? Or just get bored, tired, frustrated and give up? Then how will this game grow?

I'm happy about the previous patches that have been released, especially 1.19/1.19a. But really, FFXIV has a better community (for the most part, most of them are actually playing the game though), than most MMOs. So what happens when that community dies down to nothing but people in their little cliques and linkshells, and runs out of jobs to level? New players come, new players get frustrated, new players quit.

Meh, well that's all for now. Hopefully this will get the point across about why some peoples opinions, are more than just whining and black knighting the game. SE, for once, should maybe think, before implementing charges. And though I don't play much until now, or post very often at all, I hope Bahyone or Ruki (Sorry if I misspelled your names horribly...) read this, and maybe pass it on. >_>

tl;dr: Many people seem on the fence about playing... This means the community could die even more. LFG for hours on end? Boring... *Also Edit To Add to tl;dr* We know we mainly keep playing, for the community, and friends we've made. Without the community, FFXIV still isnt really ????.

*Edited to make it a little more readable*