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    Februs Harrow
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Galactimus View Post
    Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't the +1 Weapon Damage, +3 Str, +2 Crit, and +73 Skill Speed you get from the i210 Relic superior than the +66 Det you get from Thordan?
    In regards to +1 Weapon dmg, +3 Str, and +2 Crit, it's difficult to say. After 3.0 they changed the way Det scales with Str. I'm not personally aware of the new numbers, so it's hard for me to say one way or another how the Det on the Thordan weapons compare to the Relic. I've been told that Crit, technically, scales better for Pld's, but it's still an RnG based Stat that accounts (so I've been told) for roughly 5% chance of critical dmg at base. With good scaling, Crit provides a decent Dps increase, but I don't think it will be by a huge difference, especially given Pld's Dps kit. Regardless, no one has shown any solid data for it yet. Honestly though, it's not the Str and Crit that I'm concerned with (or why I prefer the Thordan Ex weapon). The main problem that I have with it is the +73 increase in Skill Speed.

    Unfortunately, Pld's have absolutely no means of restoring Tp besides simply not attacking. They can buy themselves some time with Clemency and Flash casts, but for each cast of those two moves they are effectively dealing 0 Dmg. In fights with 100% (or near enough to 100%) up-time on the boss, a Pld can burn their Tp to empty in roughly 3 minutes, give or take a minute. Increasing Skill Speed only makes this easier, and therefore worse. Once a Pld's Tp is empty, they can do nothing but use attacks as they proc (which is a delayed response and therefore a decrease in Dps/enmity), or spam Flash/Clemency to try to maintain enmity while their Tp bar slowly recharges (which is also a decrease in Dps). You can sabotage your own Skill Speed by simply not executing attacks at the speed at which they become available, but if you do that then what's the point of having the extra Skill Speed? It does nothing for your Auto-attack either, so there's no benefit even when running in the OT position and utilizing SwO. As things are, increasing Skill Speed on any weapon for Pld's only makes one of the most glaring flaws with the Pld kit worse. So, it's not preferable to practically any other stat
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    Last edited by Februs; 12-26-2015 at 06:02 PM.

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