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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    The forum is not representative because it's not a random sampling of the playerbase. It's a subset of the playerbase that is interested in posting on the official forums. This adds bias to the sample, and is thus not representative of the whole.
    They are more representative than people think. If you dont come here to ask for a change, for feedback or anything else, then you are part of the same problem you are complaining about. Im just saying dont take people that post on this forum like serie B players, because actually they come here with the hope SE will read what they write. And there are a lot of very old players that couldnt really care to post and write on a forum like myself, unless the situation is quite bad.

    besides saying "the forum is not representative of the WHOLE player base" is quite reduntant, you will never be able to have a 100% representative of the whole playerbase ever on a forum or in game. That being said the post from Kosmos992k seemed the usual attempt to discriminate whoever express any opinion against the current game status.
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    2. Since Closed Beta 3 with a year break.

    3. Played other MMOs before, wasn't playing any at the point of closed beta 3, but I quit one at that time. I guess you could say I did leave Atlantica Online, but it wasn't because of FF14.
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    1. no
    2. since 1.0 beta
    3. left ffxi

    FFXIV isn't innovative. It's an amazing game while you level up though. 10/10 as a single player game. But as an MMO it's just too cookie cutter for me.
    I miss 1.0.
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    2- Played 1.0 a bit and since ARR beta
    3- left WoW / FFXI
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    They are more representative than people think. If you dont come here to ask for a change, for feedback or anything else, then you are part of the same problem you are complaining about. Im just saying dont take people that post on this forum like serie B players, because actually they come here with the hope SE will read what they write. And there are a lot of very old players that couldnt really care to post and write on a forum like myself, unless the situation is quite bad.

    besides saying "the forum is not representative of the WHOLE player base" is quite reduntant, you will never be able to have a 100% representative of the whole playerbase ever on a forum or in game. That being said the post from Kosmos992k seemed the usual attempt to discriminate whoever express any opinion against the current game status.
    Unless 100% of people playing the game come to the forum and register and reply to this thread, there is no possible way the data will be completelt accurate. It is the responsibility of the surveyor to account for those discrepancies when interpreting the data. The forums represent a very small subset of the community, and I know for a fact that there is a large disparity between forummites and people in game. The people I've interacted with in game are generally enjoying it.

    But regardless of the quality of the sample, it is still something. As I edited into the post, I'm going to be compiling results now, and then again in a month, in order to study trends.
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    No

    How long have you been playing FFXIV?

    Since 1.0 alpha

    Did you leave any other MMO in order to play FFXIV, and if so, which?

    No, but I currently raid on wildstar, waiting for star citizen and legion
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    1. Are you currently satisfied with FFXIV?
    Fairly Satisfied - http://imgur.com/a/eVbx7
    1. How long have you been playing FFXIV?
    FFXIV 1.0 Alpha
    1. Did you leave any other MMO in order to play FFXIV, and if so, which?
    No
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    3: No (well had XI sub but really stopped actively playing long before)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post

    besides saying "the forum is not representative of the WHOLE player base" is quite reduntant, you will never be able to have a 100% representative of the whole playerbase ever on a forum or in game.
    I feel that you may not have a very firm grasp on statistics, or polling for that matter. Very few if any stats and polls actually are from 100% census data. Most are taking from random sampling and extrapolated. Based on how you build your methodology, you can be certain that your information is close to accurate (with standard deviations and errors of measurement).

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    They are more representative than people think. If you dont come here to ask for a change, for feedback or anything else, then you are part of the same problem you are complaining about. Im just saying dont take people that post on this forum like serie B players, because actually they come here with the hope SE will read what they write. And there are a lot of very old players that couldnt really care to post and write on a forum like myself, unless the situation is quite bad.
    Your first paragraph actually exemplifies why the forums are not representative of the population as a whole. People come to the forums mostly to ask for change and/or provide feedback. There are some who simply go on here, because they are obsessed with the game and when they can't play the forum (me :P). However, it's not a random sample, and any collection data gathered here cannot be used to provide any sort of actual usable data and is really 'just for fun'. Further, due to the nature of it, it can't really even be used to represent the forum as a whole, as it's having a bias subset of that sample (by having to opt in and read this post).

    Saying that the forums is not representative of the population in no way suggests that people on the forums opinions do not matter, or that they are lesser players.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    If you dont come here to ask for a change, for feedback or anything else, then you are part of the same problem you are complaining about.
    I honestly don't know what you're talking about here.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    That being said the post from Kosmos992k seemed the usual attempt to discriminate whoever express any opinion against the current game status.
    I'd recommend you re-read Kosmos post. (S)he said nothing of the sort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Yes.
    Since FFXIV ARR Beta phase 3, with a 6 month period when I was still subbed, but could only play very limited times.
    No, but I have played others before, I did not come here from another game that I was playing when this started.

    Remember that any conclusions you draw from this survey are not representative of the player base of the game, they represent the community on the forum, the two are not the same thing.
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  10. #40
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    I believe the point they are trying to make about the results of a forum polling not being an accurate representation of the general playerbase is that there is bias inherent in the sample group.
    Those who come to post on the official forums are a small select group amongst the player-base that wish to talk about the game and often in some ways have their opinions heard so that it may influence the direction of the game. Wishing to help incite change in a game reflects a bias that can easily taint or skew the data of such polls since the base desires and behaviours that draw a person to post on the forums in the first place will influence how they will answer such questions.

    This has nothing to do with whether forum posters,whatever their opinions, are less or more than other players.

    Any who, such a discussion is sidetracking from the point of this thread so I'm sure the OP would appreciate getting back to the point of the thread.
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    Last edited by TouchandFeel; 12-19-2015 at 05:30 AM.

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