Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[uzu]

I want to know what kind of QA process they go through for these things they implement. I really doubt there is any at all...

[WinterLuna]

We are unhappy bout a service we are paying for, so we complain, i already paid 6 months of gametime (3 months left) and have NOTHING FUN or new to do but chat. Who are u to criticise us? trying to be the devil´s lawer? 2 years of the same formula over and over, ppl get tired. SE is being lazy and lacking of fun ideas.

I'm not referring to people who are unhappy. I'm referring to people who can't accept that some people actually like the new relic and feel the need to force their opinions on us. People are allowed to be tired and dislike it but people are also allowed to enjoy it without being called a white knight.

Also to others, some of you are being called "whiners" because that's quite literally what you're doing and not providing any constructive feedback whatsoever. There's a difference between expressing your opinion and then just insulting others and crying about it.

[BossEpoch]

Also to others, some of you are being called "whiners" because that's quite literally what you're doing and not providing any constructive feedback whatsoever. There's a difference between expressing your opinion and then just insulting others and crying about it.

I don't see much of a point in providing constructive feedback because I highly doubt any of the dev team or staff are looking at these topics at all, and if they are none of the feedback will be accepted. Realistically, the relic will be nerfed. It'll just be in 3.45 or something when there are two more even worse steps.

If I were to suggest something, it would just to be literally half all of the item/tome requirements.

[keroo]

So yeah, I think a lot of FFXIV are masochists lol doing this relic sh8

[WinterLuna]

I don't see much of a point in providing constructive feedback because I highly doubt any of the dev team or staff are looking at these topics at all, and if they are none of the feedback will be accepted. Realistically, the relic will be nerfed. It'll just be in 3.45 or something when there are two more even worse steps.

If I were to suggest something, it would just to be literally half all of the item/tome requirements.

Yes, but as far as I'm aware, you're not one of the people making comments to people who enjoy it. I respect the fact you're having intelligent argument instead of just spouting "white knight" :P

[FeliAiko]

People aren't being called white knights because they enjoy doing the quest, but because of their attempts to belittle or dismiss genuine criticisms of the content that come up.

[WinterLuna]

People aren't being called white knights because they enjoy doing the quest, but because of their attempts to belittle or dismiss genuine criticisms of the content that come up.

Some people are counteracting these arguments validly and are still being called a white knight. Or better yet, merely said they enjoy the content and have been criticised.

[FeliAiko]

Some people are counteracting these arguments validly and are still being called a white knight. Or better yet, merely said they enjoy the content and have been criticised.

How so? The only counterarguments I've seen in defence of SE's unashamed copy/pasting of gamecode without any creativity has been:

- SE can't create new stuff without money (as if they're not getting sub and cash shop money, also that didn't stop them doing stuff like LoV that I'm sure wasn't heavily demanded in comparison to the relic)

- People are just upset they can't get the relic immediately and should just unsub (the common, weak argument when people's complaint isn't about it being a grind, but the way it was implemented)

[WinterLuna]

How so? The only counterarguments I've seen in defence of SE's unashamed copy/pasting of gamecode without any creativity has been:

- SE can't create new stuff without money (as if they're not getting sub and cash shop money, also that didn't stop them doing stuff like LoV that I'm sure wasn't heavily demanded in comparison to the relic)

- People are just upset they can't get the relic immediately and should just unsub (the common, weak argument when people's complaint isn't about it being a grind, but the way it was implemented)

Or people just enjoy it and don't want it changing? I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. Why can't we simply enjoy something? It's a counter argument in itself. Some of us like it, some of us don't.

[Nashred]

Or people just enjoy it and don't want it changing? I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. Why can't we simply enjoy something? It's a counter argument in itself. Some of us like it, some of us don't.

Those people dont have to worry now do they because the old content will be there even if they bring something new and if you want to run WP 1000 more times you certainly can.

The real question is why are you afraid of something new or new content that you dont want it?