Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[Nashred]

Creating content takes time, and this game has far more content than FFXI in the same span of years. Dynamis was created in 2005, three years after initial launch. ARR was launched...3 years ago, we have Diadem.
And you can't count 1.0 since ARR was created back from scratch.

Daidem is something new? Really it is nothing new, it is hunts you take a airship too. I think it was a neat idea that showed even more flaws but I do not want to get into that.

I am going to end it here because we are going in circles and you are entitled to your opinion, Actually when I first quoted you I thought we were agreeing... I would rather have less content and have better content that is new and not recycled content.

[ohmRICE]

(sorry character limit)

This is where we arrive at the root of the problem: content is just invalidated too quickly for anything to really have any worth. Especially in Heavensward it feels like they turned up the dial to 11 in terms of how fast we toss old equipment (we went from law -> proto gordian -> eso in like a month!). Eventually people are gonna get tired of jumping from one treadmill to another without having a nice cold refreshing glass of water.
I came here from grindfest Korean MMOs as well, but at least there my months of suffering trying to get spellbook pages to drop gave me a substantial reward that was useful years down the road.

But yes, I do agree we players should stop going after each other for differing opinions because it solves nothing if it turns into name calling and not actual conversation and debate.

[Alahra]

It's possibly because there are a couple broad groups that tend to play MMOs. There are those that will unsubscribe or play other games if they get bored for whatever reason, and then there are those that don't. I'm more in the latter category than the former. I like this game: I like the story, the aesthetics, the environments, my character, and the friends I've made on here. So, given a choice, I prefer to play FFXIV than to play other games, and I will often log in just to idle and chat even if there's not much I particularly want to do at that time. The relic questlines are, as a result, my absolute favorite thing in FFXIV. I love long term goals and something that gives me motivation to "do stuff" in the game as it gives me more reason to be *on* the game because of all the things I like about it.

I'd be willing to guess that a lot of folks who see the relic as "something to do" probably fall more into that category than not.

[Reynhart]

Daidem is something new? Really it is nothing new, it is hunts you take a airship too. I think it was a neat idea that showed even more flaws but I do not want to get into that.

Dynamis was something new ?
Reused city zones full of beastmen...

[Nashred]

Dynamis was something new ?
Reused city zones full of beastmen...

It was a new type of combat with alliances fighting together. It had great rewards.
And yea it was something new at the time.. City full of beast-man.
Also it does not matter, I am playing FFXIV and not that game so we go round and round.. Actually I just reactivated my FFXI account just to finish the final quest.

You are happy with the content for the relic and that is fine, You feel the new relic quest is something new and exciting and that is fine.

I am not and that is why I play less and less and have harder time getting on the game now and no matter what you say it wont make me want to play more. This new relic feels exactly like something I did before. I do not mind grind ( I played FFXI for around 7 years) just let the grind be different.

[Kallera]

Dynamis was something new ?
Reused city zones full of beastmen...

...that had job 2hrs for each mob.
...that took dinero and teamwork to get in and do.
...that was the only place for AF2, which helped with other endgame activities for more than a few months.

[Lyshell]

It's a valid defense because you people whine moan and complain there is nothing to do and then are given something that you can't blow through in 2 days and then you whine moan and complain about it being too long. You people can't be happy. The only thing you are ever happy about is when you whine moan and complain. You live for that, that's all I see you people ever do. You want content that you can blow through in a day and then have new content released every other day and even if you got that I bet you would all STILL complain about it. So just don't do it if it bugs you that much.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You know SE, can we make the relic quest more of a grind? It's legit not grindy enough for me yet. Needs to be just a little more time consuming! Please SE.

[Moqi]

But this has been happening since the game started, This shouldn't be new to anyone who has actually been playing this long.

People usually expect things to change after a while to keep the game interesting instead of feeling "been there, done that" at the release of a new expansion.

[aurace1095]

It's a valid defense because you people whine moan and complain there is nothing to do and then are given something that you can't blow through in 2 days and then you whine moan and complain about it being too long. You people can't be happy. The only thing you are ever happy about is when you whine moan and complain. You live for that, that's all I see you people ever do. You want content that you can blow through in a day and then have new content released every other day and even if you got that I bet you would all STILL complain about it. So just don't do it if it bugs you that much.

No, you are completely missing the point. People complained because there was nothing FUN to do. This new relic quest is both extremely time consuming, unfun, and the reward is NOT worth the time commitment AT ALL. We don't "live to complain". We want to love this game, we want it to be a good game, and the quality of content that is being produced just does not match that at all. It's not a question of QUANTITY of content - I don't think anyone here can realistaclly say FFXIV lacks AMOUNT of content. It's an issue with QUALITY, and unfortunately, we just do not see the quality in what has been added since 3.0.