Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[Sardonia]

So if they would have created 10 new trials that are just as difficult as A4S that would need to be done for the relic, would you all be happy? I can just assume the boards would be this is too hard, need to nerf, etc, etc. People keep complaining that all the new stuff is re-hashed content. Of course it is, it is developed off the of the core came. You tell me one game that has come out with an expansion that was so totally different then the core came. WOD for WoW was basically just like the core game, although it had garrisons and you all know how that worked out. But the rest of the expansion was just the same as all others. New zones, raids and that was about it. It just seems like people want a brand new game every expansion.

[Nashred]

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Come on there is no new content for end game and there has not since hitting 50.. Actually there has been a lot of content and this game does not suffer from lack of content it suffers from lack of new/different content. Even every dungeon is the same cookie cutter dungeon with 3 bosses and trash in between. same ole fates and I could go on and on.

The whole expansion was nothing but a giant map pack which add flying and some story line. The Story line was great but short.

There should have been some new type of combat.

I will use FFXI as a example since I played it and allot of others did. Pretty much every expansion you paid for added something new to the game like Campaign, dynamis, besieged etc. This is the kind of content this game needs, not more cookie cutter dungeons, not more fates, or new tomes or more same ole leves or more land. It needs something completely different to do.. Not more dodging either.

[Reynhart]

I will use FFXI as a example since I played it and allot of others did. Pretty much every expansion you paid for added something new to the game like Campaign, dynamis, besieged etc.

Right, but, apart from Dynamis, those content had absolutely no useful reward for endgame.
Exactly like Fronlines, Gold Saucer, Lords Of Vermilion, Triple Triad.

[Nashred]

Right, but, apart from Dynamis, those content had absolutely no useful reward for endgame.
Exactly like Fronlines, Gold Saucer, Lords Of Vermilion, Triple Triad...

But they were fun to do and that was only a short list. I just want something different..
I will say gold saucer was one thing that was added to the game that is different though...

I also do not mind grind and as long as it is different and not the same thing every time..

Look at the events in FFXIV same thing every-time: run few fates and deliver some stuff..
Look at the events in FFXI even though they were the same year after year they were different from each other like the egg hunt and they were fun..

I do not mind challenge and I do not mind something easy once in a while and I do not mind grind.. i also realise this is not FFXI and I do not want it to be, I left that game. I am pretty flexible and I still enjoy the game but everyday it is harder and harder to get on and it is starting to feel like work. I have a lot of time in FFXIV but if I dont get something new I will have to go somewhere else to get something new.

[Reynhart]

But they were fun to do and that was only a short list. I just want something different..
I will say gold saucer was one thing that was added to the game that is different though...

They also came with later expansions.
In fact, even Dynamis wasn't implemented until the end of Zilart.
HW offers Diadem, which is exactly a "modern MMO" Dynamis, in its 1st major patch, and Lors Of Verminion.

And before CoP, you had basically no dungeons and no raids.

[Nashred]

They also came with later expansions.
In fact, even Dynamis wasn't implemented until the end of Zilart.
HW offers Diadem, which is exactly a "modern MMO" Dynamis, in its 1st major patch, and Lors Of Verminion.

And before CoP, you had basically no dungeons and no raids.

I am sorry but this is not a new game anymore and FFXI was a new MMORPG for SE this is not. Nothing different is even announced for the future yet.
Like I said I see the potential this game has. They can do allot with just housing but they do not even fix the housing shortage yet and how long has this been going on?. It is like SE does not believe this game is successful and do not want to throw any resources at it.. I can sit their watching bots for month and SE does nothing about them. It seems they spend more time on the cash shop and that was supposed to free up money to make more content?

The turn over in this game is starting to get insane.. My friends list was huge and now about 5 people log on weekly. It seems to do well with new players though but since Heavensward the population does seem to be dropping.

[Reynhart]

I am sorry but this is not a new game anymore and FFXI was a new MMORPG for SE this is not.

Creating content takes time, and this game has far more content than FFXI in the same span of years. Dynamis was created in 2005, three years after initial launch. ARR was launched...3 years ago, we have Diadem.
And you can't count 1.0 since ARR was created back from scratch.

[Aarik]

So if they would have created 10 new trials that are just as difficult as A4S that would need to be done for the relic, would you all be happy? I can just assume the boards would be this is too hard, need to nerf, etc, etc.

That is an extremely poor comparison, and you know it. Are you saying that back when we were upgrading our relic to zenith, that Titan HM was comparable to T5? I truly hope not, because as far as difficulty goes, there was absolutely no comparison. If you recall, most complaints about Titan HM were not due to his difficulty, but because of latency issues. Quite frankly, back then the instance servers were BAD. That, combined with a fight that introduced perma-death mechanics, and you have a recipe for disaster. Seriously though, don't compare the top-tier raid content to primal content; there's just no comparison.