Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[WinterLuna]

Whilst it's great that you're enjoying yourself, your join date implies you haven't been playing all that long.

It's fine for you because you're new and you can't see the cracks yet. Those of us that have been here since the beginning can see how incredibly lazy the devs are being and we're tired of it. They are NOT putting our subscriptions to good use.

Actually, I've been playing for almost two years and I have no issues with the new relic. Again, if you don't like it, that's fine. But please just let people enjoy it without making excuses up for why they are. There's no need to push your opinion on others.

Also, anything in the game is content. Just because it's revisiting old content and isn't shiny and new doesn't mean you can't do it. For the millionth time, it's optional, there's other weapons, and a whole lot of other stuff to do in the game.

[valoiz2]

It's a valid defense because there's a lot of fanboys/fangirls in this game and they will support the game just for being a Final Fanasy game even when it's broken. I've read alot of comments from fanboys/girls saying this game is awesome, grind is awesome EVERY single thing in this game it's pretty cool for them.

Those fans are always online chating and doing nothing, now with this relic thing they just have "something to do" but that's not the point. This game is an MMO and we should be able to have fun with the game (which does not happen)

Now..

The game is nice as RPG and I really enjoy the story

But...

As an MMO is crappy to be honest, lazy, repetitive and no sense

[WinterLuna]

It's a valid defense because there's a lot of fanboys/fangirls in this game and they will support the game just for being a Final Fanasy game even when it's broken. I've read alot of comments from fanboys/girls saying this game is awesome, grind is awesome EVERY single thing in this game it's pretty cool for them.

Those fans are always online chating and doing nothing, now with this relic thing they just have "something to do" but that's not the point. This game is an MMO and we should be able to have fun with the game (which does not happen)

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy and can't let anyone else enjoy the content. Has it ever occurred to you that some people enjoy the game how it is?

[Kallera]

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy and can't let anyone else enjoy the content. Has it ever occurred to you that some people enjoy the game how it is?

I have seen the words salt and whining more times than I care to. It cuts both ways, until the devs respond or people unsub, which they have been doing.

[WinterLuna]

I have seen the words salt and whining more times than I care to. It cuts both ways, until the devs respond or people unsub, which they have been doing.

Except most people who actually enjoy the patch are giving valid reasons why they enjoy it and are getting jumped on by the people who dislike it. People are allowed an opinion either way, but it isn't even intelligent argument anymore, it's just people insulting others because they have a disagreement.

Really makes me lose faith in the community when people get so angry over a patch.

[ohmRICE]

It seems odd that criticism and the want for engaging new content is seen as some sort of grand offense to people.
If you love something you should be able to criticize it and look at it objectively.

2.0 relics started off with hunting monsters, melding materia to a weapon, going through trials, doing a dungeon, hunting more monsters, fighting three primals, and then doing a tomestone grind. It was a lot, but it was a variety linked together through a questline that made it feel like a journey to gain a weapon of power. It was also pretty much your stepping stone weapon. It gave a feeling of accomplishment.

3.0 anima is starting off with atma grind/dungeon runs. Atma is somewhat bearable since you can level alts with it and at least you can unsync run the dungeons, but there's nothing engaging. Then it's the turn in grind which, while many options are given, doesn't feel as cohesive as the 2.0 relic line did. It's just throwing you into content that you've either never touched because you didn't care or content you've ran into the ground during the content drought. Then you get a weapon that currently might be worse than your esoterics weapon.
Sure it'll get better, the 2.0 relics proved that, but with the first step of anima being all the worst parts of the 3.0 relic condensed what will the next steps bring?

And in the end, Anima isn't the main problem, it's how 3.0 and it's subsequent patches have been delivered. Anima was simply the match that lit the fuse on people's bottled up disappointment.

If you enjoy the grind more power to you, but I think there is a point where some criticism must be recognized as holding some validity.

[Launched]

People are crying that they don't have any content to do but then cry when they give us something time consuming to work on. The relic isn't even difficult. In short, if people's argument is the "lack of content", they're going to get the response that actually, there is content, you just don't want to do it.

No, there isn't any new content. I did all this stuff required by the relic weeks or months ago. I even did some of the dungeons over a year ago. I've done thousands of fates and cleared each of the required dungeons dozens of times. I've done beast tribe quests, I've done Alexander, I've done crafting. There is absolutely nothing new offered in the 3.15 relic quest.

[Yonanja]

I've not seen any argument from the "defenders" other than "I enjoy it, so there!", I've not seen any argument as to why they enjoy it. And if you're enjoying it so much... why arn't you in-game doing the "brand new, shiny interesting content"? Instead of lurking around in the forums telling people that their opinions are false and not worth anything? There shouldn't be a need for you to defend SE or the devteam, since they'll be able to see the actual numbers anyways, and if this "content" really is something that most people seem to enjoy, they'll know that without having you defending them and insulting everyone that might have a complaint.

[WinterLuna]

No, there isn't any new content. I did all this stuff required by the relic weeks or months ago. I even did some of the dungeons over a year ago. I've done thousands of fates and cleared each of the required dungeons dozens of times. I've done beast tribe quests, I've done Alexander, I've done crafting. There is absolutely nothing new offered in the 3.15 relic quest.

I didn't use the word "new". The point is, it's still something to do whether it's old content or not. It's not non-existent therefore it's "something to do."

Again to the other posters, nobody is even saying it's shiny and new. I'm not doing the content right now because of PS4 issues. Otherwise I would be enjoying it. Just leave us be and get off our backs because we don't agree with you.

Argument as to why I enjoy it? I like grinding. I can revisit Alexander with my friends. It gives me a reason to spend my laws. It gives me a goal to work towards. Are you happy now? Or is that not a good enough reason for you?

[Adormus]

@Winterluna

It really makes me lose faith in the community when people like you outright support SE's laziness, all the while calling unsupporting players "whiners". You don't have to have a "valid" reason to like a game. I've had fun in an asia grinder for months. The game itself was trash, but doing things with friends rocked. You can't very well measure fun. But that's besides the point, since it's highly subjective.

But there's an objective way to measure content. HW is lacking in every single aspect here. 1 raid, 4 dungeons, 1 "farm raid", 3 primals. That's stuff for about a month, not for 6. I've yet to encounter any serious player complaining about the grind. Everyone complains that there nothing besides it. No story attached other than "Let's forge a weapon", no new content like the Chimera or Hydra for the original relic. It feels lackluster at best. At worst it's just the developers showing us the finger. How can you possibly defend this?