What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[SchalaZeal]

So apparently running 800 Alexander normals is better than the trouble of organizing a couple of runs of content that was made specifically for the Relic?

Funny how I'm unlikely to run Alex NM EVEN ONCE, and will *still* complete it in a month?

Apparently, leveling beast tribes from literal nothingness is better than it too?

Unless you've been playing for 2 weeks, you had *YEARS* to level non-Vanu beastmen. Only yourself to blame.

However, I'm one of the people who just wishes that there was an option, alongside the grind, that allowed for me to just win a couple coil difficulty fights (made specifically for relic) to progress, instead of a ton of tedious EASY, and boring tasks.

So on top of wanting raid content drops for you guys only (I might get Gobcoats and twines, but not Gordian gear itself), you also want a 2-tier system for relic that advantages you like some sort of highway-for-the-rich-only. Except instead of being the 1% of wealthy, it's the 1% of connected raiders.

Iiiiiss, this part true? Are people actually having troubles on Bismark Hard? Like enough that if you had to do it for relic that people would never be able to complete it?

Never no, but just to pass story it was 3x 60 minutes of wipe over and over. Imagine if the 'plebs' had to run the extreme version. I bet most didn't run it yet or got carried by others. Because people asking for tough shit were asking for extreme, not hard mode version.

[Faytte]

Hello White Knight.

People are unhappy with the game.
They are being vocal about their displeasure.
The game is in a terrible state right now.
There are not signs it will be improving.
That upsets people.
Upset people tend to post.
White Knights tend to defend blindly cause you see this displeasure as somehow an attack on your happy.
If you are happy--that is awesome, go on and be happy.
But understand unhappy people are unhappy---and they want that unhappiness heard so maybe it will get better....

...because in the end they want to like this game and have the same happy you do. They just dont; because there are issues.

~~A very unhappy, and now unsubscribed, player.

[Kaurie]

So on top of wanting raid content drops for you guys only (I might get Gobcoats and twines, but not Gordian gear itself), you also want a 2-tier system for relic that advantages you like some sort of highway-for-the-rich-only. Except instead of being the 1% of wealthy, it's the 1% of connected raiders.

Your argument has some serious flaw. He wants an option where a raider can get it through raiding. He is not wanting to remove the ability for non raiders to get it by other means. Your post is extremely antagonistic and flawed on so many levels. It's also hypocritical.

Never no, but just to pass story it was 3x 60 minutes of wipe over and over. Imagine if the 'plebs' had to run the extreme version. I bet most didn't run it yet or got carried by others. Because people asking for tough shit were asking for extreme, not hard mode version.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I did it without problem on my first run when I leveled up. I then queued in to it a couple times on Trial roulette and only had a wipe once in that time. It's very surprising to hear that people can be so bad at the game by level 57.

[Kosmos992k]

(some) People are unhappy with the game.
That upsets people.
Upset people tend to post.
White Knights tend to defend blindly cause you see this displeasure as somehow an attack on your happy.

So, simply disagreeing with you makes someone a White Knight? Think on this, this is a public forum, people are free to disagree with each other and post about it all day long. If someone disagrees with your assessment of something and posts in reply to you contradicting your points, that does not make them a 'white knight', it is simply a reply from someone who disagrees with you. Just as you're free to disagree with them. So, if you disagree with someone posting positively, does that make you a Black Knight?

[Kaurie]

So, simply disagreeing with you makes someone a White Knight? Think on this, this is a public forum, people are free to disagree with each other and post about it all day long. If someone disagrees with your assessment of something and posts in reply to you contradicting your points, that does not make them a 'white knight', it is simply a reply from someone who disagrees with you. Just as you're free to disagree with them. So, if you disagree with someone posting positively, does that make you a Black Knight?

I think the thing is that a lot of the people he is claiming to be a White Knight are unjustly attacking the player who are providing feedback or negative concerns, rather than their concern itself.

For example "you also want a 2-tier system for relic that advantages you like some sort of highway-for-the-rich-only. Except instead of being the 1% of wealthy, it's the 1% of connected raiders."

There is really no need for that kind of discussion. The same message could have been, "I'd have concerns over gating the relic behind raiding, as there are already methods to obtain a great weapon through raiding and this needs to appeal to the casual player who may not be skilled or interested enough in raiding." We could then actually discuss that concern and come to some sort of compromise.


EDIT: I'd like to add, that the White Knight argument is itself hypocritical, as it's also attacking the player rather than the argument. I don't support the use of 'silencing' someone through name-calling, but was merely trying to put a perspective on where I think he is coming from.

[SchalaZeal]

We could then actually discuss that concern and come to some sort of compromise.

The compromise is already in-game, it drops from A4S.

[Kaurie]

The compromise is already in-game, it drops from A4S.

I disagree.

For one, that is for the extremely skilled and hardcore raiders. I believe the other player (and myself) are talking about more of a Mid-Core skill level. Unfortunately, my static is no longer together and Alex 4 seems like a very far ways off. I've only completed A1S as of now That said, running things like Ex Primals or coil level raids to get the relic would appeal to my level of skill and interest of gameplay.

Additionally, as mentioned the other player was suggesting adding Raiding as another option to the many that are available. I think adding more options to appease more players is good for everyone, is it not? I'd rather be running something with other people that want to be there, and all of us enjoying the content together. Rather than have a portion, if not all, of the players present to be resentful of doing the content we are there to do.

I think a compromise would be to include both options in the relic grind. I've heard plenty of ideas, but things include being able to use the drops that are currency for hive and bis-ex weapons as currency usable for unidentified pieces. Then further, add in a similar currency to coil that drops only when level synced.

[PheonixCain]

too busy grinding, we ain't have the damn time to cry

[Lemuria]

All they need to do is patch in some special abilities on the new relics and I'd actually consider it a worthwhile grind. Sometimes SE shoot themselves in the foot over problems with the simplest solutions.

[Stanelis]

The compromise is already in-game, it drops from A4S.

Main issue is that Alexander savage is poorly designed and tuned (like A4S where you have to cheese a mechanic).