What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[SchalaZeal]

1. It takes about 30 days to get the tokens if you do expert roulette, lv 60 roulette, lv 50 roulettes (which is 460 law and between 120 and 200 poetics), beastmen (Vanu + 9 from others = also an extra 90 poetics) as well as a map like wyvernskin daily. So it's not "but I'll get it in 3.5!!" nope, it's way easier and faster. If you didn't level your beast tribe rep by now, it's all on you. And getting a gather to 51 to get archaeoskin maps isn't that onerous.

2. Stop saying people want new content tied to the relic like Chimera and Hydra. Some might want that, but it's definitely not everyone who wants content that's soon forgotten and a pain to organize runs for after when its no longer current. Primals have longer lasting time *because* they're not specifically tied to relic. The lv 49 trial in Western Thanalan is also a pain because outside story there is no reason to run it. Thankfully at lv 60 you can carry someone with just 2 people. I much prefer running the roulettes and beastmen and having Alex NM an option, than new special just-for-relic stuff.

3. People will want to run the relic for more than one job, likely not-their-main to get other jobs with i200+ weapons. And people will get multiple up to i210 (maybe even all 13) for looks but also for achievement and to be ready for the next step. I'm personally hoping for picking secondaries for Summoner, since the relic is bad for Crit now. But I'll do it anyway (after Scholar, yay crit on relic!!).

4. Oh and people claiming Titan HM and other skill-based content is good for relic, and how we should run extreme primals for relic. No, just no. Just Bismarck HM can be a pain to run if you help someone. It would be very anti-casual. Be a roadblock like A3S, but for people who'd never set foot in savage. I much prefer time and effort to skill-wall and frustration. Even if I could personally scale that wall.

5. I very very very much appreciate that the tokens are not RNG-gated and that I don't have to change my religion and pray to RNGesus for tokens. I prefer that to 10% chance drop from 16 different dungeons, a million times better.

[Kaurie]

Gee, if only people playing this game had some incentive to improve.

Beyond that, this part got me

Just Bismarck HM can be a pain to run if you help someone.

Iiiiiss, this part true? Are people actually having troubles on Bismark Hard? Like enough that if you had to do it for relic that people would never be able to complete it?

2. Stop saying people want new content tied to the relic like Chimera and Hydra. Some might want that, but it's definitely not everyone who wants content that's soon forgotten and a pain to organize runs for after when its no longer current. Primals have longer lasting time *because* they're not specifically tied to relic. The lv 49 trial in Western Thanalan is also a pain because outside story there is no reason to run it. Thankfully at lv 60 you can carry someone with just 2 people. I much prefer running the roulettes and beastmen and having Alex NM an option, than new special just-for-relic stuff..

I get what you are saying here, but stop and think about it for a second. Every thing in the game will eventually become outdated and people will do less and less of it as time goes on. This includes fates, dungeons, trials, raids etc. So no matter what, people will do less of any new content eventually than at release. So ultimately you are saying that you'd rather no new content should be involved. Is that correct? Don't you think that seems a little silly? I mean, it's what we got, but to me that seems crazy.

[Nominous]

Stop saying people want new content tied to the relic like Chimera and Hydra. Some might want that, but it's definitely not everyone who wants content that's soon forgotten and a pain to organize runs for after when its no longer current. Primals have longer lasting time *because* they're not specifically tied to relic.

So apparently running 800 Alexander normals is better than the trouble of organizing a couple of runs of content that was made specifically for the Relic? Apparently, leveling beast tribes from literal nothingness is better than it too? I'm glad they added more ways to grind this stuff out. However, I'm one of the people who just wishes that there was an option, alongside the grind, that allowed for me to just win a couple coil difficulty fights (made specifically for relic) to progress, instead of a ton of tedious EASY, and boring tasks.