What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Atoli]

This post is simply misleading in a lot of ways.
First and foremost, those images you posted supporting your "thesis" are actually the sign that there isnt anything to do in game left except this grindfest.

My "thesis" was that someone claimed Ragnarok only had 2 pf parties up throughout all of the European prime time and that this person was either lying or wrong about when they were online, since they don't live in Europe.
So what those images prove is exactly that and nothing else.
But to adress your worries, a screen from just now shows this:


We have static recruitments for Alex Savage, Diadem, Leveling parties, Thordan training, etc. as well, but obviously the NEW content that was just released is gonna be the majority (crystal farms and dungeon runs for the second relic step).
There are things that worry me, but our pf on Ragnarok is not one of those things.

[Stormrider]

Yes I have and I actually brought that up in my first post in the thread the grind would have been ok at least to me if the relic progressed along with your class in some way would be cool. I wasn't necessarily attacking you over your post atleast you actually have a idea what you want and not just throwing it out there. A live letter is coming up and it doesn't just seem like people on the NA side are the only ones with the opinion on these steps maybe they will talk about it.

Not to be mean. But since they introduced housing have they not mostly played turtle and ignored failings. Owned up to very few things and repeated mistakes? Also when horribly pushed (pvp ques) given weak excuses and went on with the status quo.

[SinisterJointss]

You guys keep saying that we are against people giving feedback. All this is not feedback, it's not even negative feedback. It's straight out whining. Try to give constructive criticism instead. Don't just go "I don't like this, I'm gonna quit, SE gonna lose a lot of players to WoW, my suscription is worth more than that". That really is not feedback. And always keep in mind that you are not forced to do what they "toss" at you. But you are forced to let others that are happy play and enjoy the game as it is common courtesy and respect. You can't just whine and clasify those who don't as puppets >_>

So saying that the requirements for this relic are excessive given the shourt amount of time that people will actually have it before the next content comes out is "whining"

Aren't you just a peach.

[SinisterJointss]

They listened to a lot of our feedback, actually.
People said they didn't like running the same content again and again when everyone was farming light at Garuda, so this time, SE created a system where you could choose yourself which content you'd like to do.

What choice? People didnt just farm garuda for light, they did whatever was the fastest (bonus etc)

We still have to run THE SAME CONTENT OVER AND OVER.

I dont get how you cant see that, your rose tinted glasses are getting a little dirty if you ask me.

[Ilitsa]

What choice? People didnt just farm garuda for light, they did whatever was the fastest (bonus etc)

We still have to run THE SAME CONTENT OVER AND OVER.

I dont get how you cant see that, your rose tinted glasses are getting a little dirty if you ask me.

"Oh look, Titan is bonus, Fuck that, let's just do garuda til next window"

Yeah, people did "other things" it was Either T4 spam or Garuda HM spam.

[Warlyx]

why are we complaining?

because they said that relic will be in 3.0....nop...3.1? NOP .....ok 3.15 , we waited hoping this relic quest chain will be as awesome...as 2.0 chimera + hydra (exclusive relic stuff), some dungeon , kill some mobs , and grind of course .

in the end we got atma 2.0 , running 2.0 + low lvl 30 dungeons , and after all of that grind alex , tribes quest (2.0 included) , farm poetics (2.0 ) , and law tomes....and the cherry on top? HQ crafted items......

why this wasnt released in 3.0 (at least the first quests ?) , why not in 3.1? ....

[Critical-Limit]

Stuff

Imagine you're running a company, you have a daily average of 200 returning customers. There are only 5 people who complain about the lack of breakfast items in the isle. The other customers are like "lol don't like it go to another store I like that I don't have to waste time lookin at breakfast items"

So they listen and go elsewhere. Then another group complain about the date on the milk always being too close to expiration. The people who only have 3 people living at their place take business elsewhere because the people who have 8 people in their family can drink through it fine. How long are people suppose to just take mediocre service before the store loses a lot of it's customers?

The people complaining are doing you a favor because the people who claim to enjoy this relic quest are just settling, when they could have a better experience. The complainer's keep the quality in check, so more people enjoy it and stay longer.

[Viridiana]

You mean the nerfed down base relic quests. Look at the original relic questlines from 1.x to see the similarities to the current relic grinds.

You mean the one that required EX primals, from what I hear? What was that I was saying earlier about maybe requiring a little bit of skill to get a relic?

[Aarik]

sadly this is how babies are...they aren't happy when SE and DEV team doesn't give em what they want then they get pissy and complain when they do get what they want they want to complain that the quests were too short or too time consuming....And as much as those of us that are just content with the fact that SE and the DEV team are even putting new stuff in to enjoy they won't stop B*tching about it.

They crave that negativity they thrive on it! like holy shit Do you guy think your super special? or just entitled to your demands?! incase you guys forgot it's alot of work invested in putting content into a game be thankful that they honored your request for relics and shut up already if you wanna give feedback go for it but don't be assholes about it! THE FAWK IS WRONG WITH YOU?! shut up and be happy

Um...wow. Calling anyone who complains a 'baby' while you yourself whine, and then to finish it up you end with probably the most ignorant statement I've seen in a while, "shut up and be happy". Hello pot, this is kettle.

That being said, your reading comprehension is beyond horrible; that or you just have VERY selective eyesight. So I'll make it easy for you, and every other white knight; we are not complaining about the grind. There, did you see that? Did that get past your selective eyesight? Hope so. Now that we have that past us, let me make an addendum; there are a few unfortunate souls in here that actually do whine about the grind. To those, I say this; find another game...no seriously, find another game that is not a ptp model. The entire framework of a ptp model game (which FFXIV is) is built around the grind; this is to keep people subscribed. If you cannot accept that and do not enjoy that, then do not play ptp games, period.

Now that the 'disclaimer' is out of the way, let's get down to business, shall we? As I've stated numerous times before, we are not complaining about the grind; the grind is an essential part of this game, we get it. What we are upset about is twofold.

First: We are upset with this disturbing trend of re-using old content and calling it new; this 'new' relic quest is but the last iteration in a long line of this. As stated before, the grind is an integral part of this game. The trick is to make the grind enjoyable and interesting. This new relic quest is embarrassing due to the fact that none of it's content is new. Nothing. The only thing new is the weapon, and only the 210 one at that; they couldn't even make a different model for the starting piece. This is not fun, this is repetitive, un-creative and uninspired.

Second: The second complaint derives from the first; the dev team has continuously stated that they're pushing the relic quest back over and over because it wasn't ready. Quite frankly, I'm insulted that they thought we were that stupid. What is new in this relic quest? Here's what's new; the relic weapons themselves, and the items needed for the quest, plus some dialogue. That's it. There are no new fights, no new mechanics, and no new ideas. Everything else has already been done, they simply need to copy/paste the old code and change a few words to adapt to the new items introduced. Saying that a team of 200 people needed to postpone this content not once, but twice, due to it not being finished is beyond laughable. The real reason they released it now? Because they know 3.1 was a horrendous flop, and they're trying to keep people subscribed up to the 3.2 patch. Don't be naive to think otherwise, you're smarter than that, I would hope.

[Evangela]

There's nothing wrong with people complaining. It's as wrong as America's first amendment.

If there's something wrong, it's people who can't/don't accept different opinions and try to shut them up.