What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[DarkB]

This post is simply misleading in a lot of ways.

First and foremost, those images you posted supporting your "thesis" are actually the sign that there isnt anything to do in game left except this grindfest.
Which also bring us to point 2. When you dont offer anything people will just adapt and be FORCED (which isnt what you would want to do as a game company) to do what you threw at them.
Now this happened the same with 1.0. Where people was telling them "hey SE, this isnt really going well, wake up?" They kept sleeping, we had the same amount of white knights on the forums which accepted EVERYTHING they got thrown at. And that didnt go well.

Now if they have to learn something from the past, its right infront of your eyes. Of course people do the relic quest, but that is because they have no alternatives. Also there are people that have subbed or 6 months, like me, so either they play or not, doesnt really matter. But in the end what matters is the continue disappointing of your userbase, that shouldnt be underestimated. It will end up like 1.0, and many other games. You keep frustrating people, everybody has a limit, i am personally on the edge of not renewing anything, and for sure if they dont show me something solid that is worth the money i throw at this game, i wont sub anymore.

People complain and whine like a cycle, but they still play, but then, after eating all this crap all over, eventually they get full, thats when you lose the userbase. Now you are basically hoping and throwing the dices that the userbase isnt fed up enough with the lack of content, lack of creativity, slow development, poor planning, total overlooking of problems, lots of shortcomings by SE? Well.. good luck to you and SE. I am pretty sure that if you keep throwing fuel to the fire, it will eventually blow up.

[Dante_V]

This forum has it's own reputation among the community for various reasons that are not so flattering. Needless to say you (OP) are correct about the vocal minority idealism. There is also a profound arrogance which leads back to the first thing i said, that because someone doesn't like something it is wrong or broken. Regardless of the composition or demographic of the forum, the majority of the community do have some relevant gripes in certain cases, but those seem to be the minority of what is posted here and most often times flooded out by people who think they know better than the people who have created the game, or wish to speak for everyone on their behalf with no authority.

At the end of the day the people who like it will play, those that don't will not. This is the only objective trend that will matter in the end.

[TouchandFeel]

My thoughts on the general state of 3.15 and the Official Forums' reaction.

The situation in game is not nearly as bad or dire as the forums make it out to be. There are many players participating in the new relic content. It is true that there are some disgruntled players that make it known ingame, but I experienced far more players that were enjoying having something new to strive for. How long that enjoyment will last is to be seen.

Have missteps happened? Yes. Could improvements be made? Also yes. Is 3.15 the Eorzean Rapture calling players away to other games leaving the game an empty wasteland? No, some may leave, others will come back and many will stick around.

As others have already pointed out, forums, comment sections and a lot of the internet as a whole are vitriolically negative, so don't be surprised when you see mostly that on a game forum.

I fully support people voicing their opinions on matters and things, but pissing and moaning does get old and really accomplishes very little. when so many people resort to this type of "feedback" over seemingly anything and everything, it just turns into this annoying background noise that is always there and you wish would just go away, like a TV or ceiling light that puts out a just perceptible humming noise.
Speaking plainly, the fastest way to get people to want to ignore your "feedback" is to give it in a "whiny" way.

So I guess a caveat is in order.
I support people voicing their opinions when they have put some level of thought into it and present it in a constructive manner.

If you want people to take your opinion on something seriously and not see it as just whining, then just simply do the following: state what the issue is, state why it is an issue, deconstruct the greater issue so that the smaller parts can be evaluated, evaluate the greater issue and the smaller parts that make it up from multiple angles and viewpoints to gain a better understanding of the issue, use the greater understanding of the issue to then formulate solutions to the issue from the smaller parts all the way up to the whole.
This may seem like a lot to do but really it isn't, its basic critical thinking and is something everyone should practice and enact in their daily lives.
Some people on these forums are doing this, but also many are not.

Also, this goes beyond just posting your ideas and expressing your opinions, but when you also respond to other people's posts and opinions. Follow the same steps, be respectful and don't make just knee jerk, snippy and rude responses. Trashing others on the internet doesnt make you cool or win you any awards (at least none worth having) and if you have to do it to feel good about yourself, well then you have much bigger and deeper issues than someone disagreeing with you on a forum.

Now, if we as the players want the dev team to listen to us we will have to do what is seemingly impossible, agree.
Basically, the dev team can't make decisions based on biased opinions of individuals and small groups, they have to make decisions based on what they know they can do that will hopefully please the most people.
When feedback is not unified and is often times contradicting itself due to so many different camps of thought saying things have to be their way or else, how can you expect the devs to be able to make a decision that won't ultimately piss someone off?
The only way we as players can become unified is by being considerate of each other and trying to work together towards a greater common goal, helping the dev team know what will make the game better for us the players. That means getting passed our own bias and hang-ups, listening to other people's opinions (when they are expressed in a constructive manner) and most importantly making concessions and suggestions to help better integrate the desires and opinions of others into your own so that a solution that will benefit the most people can be reached.

Yes it is impossible to give everyone exactly what they may "want", but it is not impossible to please everyone if everyone is willing to rein in their own selfish desires to make room for others.

In game and in real life, we as residents of this world, real or virtual, are in it together whether we like it or not and we will always be stronger and be able to accomplish more and better affect positive change if we work together. Try to constantly force your own way and all you do is bump into everyone else doing the same. Band together and move as a unified group and the people that were previously obstacles no longer are, as they are moving with you and helping you to get to where you and they want to be.

[Ilitsa]

The idea that there is something "wrong" with people who have feedback on content they are paying for is kind of lost on me. Care to explain why there's something wrong with people who aren't happy with the content they've purchased with their subscription? Or what's "wrong" with their expressing that sentiment in the area SE has provided for them to post it?

Same thing that's "Wrong" with people expressing their enjoyment of said content? Those that hate it are Just as, if not more critical towards those that like it.

[seraf]

Same thing that's "Wrong" with people expressing their enjoyment of said content? Those that hate it are Just as, if not more critical towards those that like it.

I've been seeing people outright vocally attacked for saying they are okay with the current Relic process just because they didn't voice any negative criticism towards patch 3.15 and its content.

[Critical-Limit]

People assume just because they see people doing fates, THEY must be enjoying themselves.

I'm one of those people you would've assumed that about Because In-game I'm not gonna cry in /shout while people are farming.

I farmed for a bit, so someone assumed I had fun while actually I was constantly fighting myself on whether this is worth it or not.

[karateorangutang]

Last night was one of the first times ever that I was asked to go help do content and I simply said no. I told them that i'll do just about anything, but this relic quest is a grind that will not be fun for me, so I'm not going to open the quest. I felt bad telling them so, but I have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

[Ilitsa]

I've been seeing people outright vocally attacked for saying they are okay with the current Relic process just because they didn't voice any negative criticism towards patch 3.15 and its content.

Of course they have, and the sad thing is, those of us saying "hey it's not so bad" are most likely being mass-reported, and will get forum bans for it, as well.

[karateorangutang]

I've been seeing people outright vocally attacked for saying they are okay with the current Relic process just because they didn't voice any negative criticism towards patch 3.15 and its content.

I've also seen people be vocally attacked for not liking someones glamour. I'm not sure that shouting matches are a really good barometer of content immersion.

[Kallera]

Of course they have, and the sad thing is, those of us saying "hey it's not so bad" are most likely being mass-reported, and will get forum bans for it, as well.

Anyone can make that suspicion. It why a good chunk of the reddit crowd (who are having conversations about relic over there) do not post here.