What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Atoli]

Okay... so what exactly is Square offering at this point with this MMO? I'm sitting back and slowly thinking about this right now! I completed the dungeon portion of the relic tonight and then looked up the next step, and saw the absurdity with all the HQ crafting stuff. And what did I do? Shake my head and turn off the game and went and played Fallout.

What I asked for was for you to compare the experience you get from other MMOs with FFXIV, not a single player game
Because if you are into "playing with others", Fallout 4 (which may be a great game ) is not an option.
Do other MMORPGs offer you an experience without any rehashed content, without grind of things you were already bored with before that, or with the same set of mechanics that pop up again and again? You face the same problems in any other MMORPG (unless it's a PvP MMO, which has different problems than PvE ones, but even then it will have the same problems as other PvP MMOs).
So what exactly are your options? Just quit MMOs altogether? Because the experience won't get better by switching over to any of the other major contenders who are doing exactly the same as FFXIV does.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "just swallow any crap they throw at you", I'm all for giving contructive feedback and slowly reforming the game to make more people happy through that calm feedback - which a lot was given in this thread, actually - but yesterday the NA forum was just mindlessly raging with very few valid complaints being made, and they easily got lost between all the butthurt everyone else was spewing.
I hate to draw that comparison again, but the JP forum basically had one major thread for everyone to explain what they thought was wrong with the relic quest. Here, many people acted like a chicken with its head cut off, flailing their arms screaming "FFXIV IS GONNA DIE; THIS IS THE EEEEEEND" and banged their head against the wall until 5 new threads per minute fell out. Not exactly a great way to let SE know how to fix something

As for the time zone thing, perhaps; I've always been terrible at converting zones. But even though the post was directed at another, I'll still gladly recant my words about server activity.

You mean like how you called someone a blatant liar because you didn't agree with what they said? Nobody is demeaning you. Unless you consider disagreeing with you or challenging what you say to be demeaning, which is ridiculous.

I called what he said about Ragnarok only having 2 dfs up during the whole EU prime time a lie because it obviously was, since even without the relic quest, df party numbers never go down that low unless it's late at night or early morning.
I also offered to prove him wrong (although I could only do it for the next day, since patch day had already passed). So yes, I actually AM sticking to numbers and provable points. As for the quote you are using, Savvy - I went ahead and accepted her numbers and she still kept going on about how I was exaggerating, when I used exactly the numbers SHE had provided. At that point I realized all she wanted was have a fight, and I'm too old to react to childish provokes.

*pats* We both know that they just don't want to accept facts; facts have no opinion, and can't be argued with, so they argue with the one providing the facts. I can't say I blame them, though I do pity them;

Here are your "facts" (notice that I never once argued against Brian's facts, I actually quoted them but was still told I'm the one exaggerating...), and I assure you that on patch day, the number was even higher since I had to scroll down 3 times which means the df number was past 20:


(sorry that the game is in German, but the objective stated by the players should tick you off on what they are doing, even if the dungeon names and the like don't make sense to an English speaker)