Quote Originally Posted by HorseBoots View Post
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So you use an N=1 comparison to say it is very mild compared to other gameS.

Look, your comparison is nice and all, but that's completely besides the point, especially for people who have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You go None->170->200->210, with the largest segment being stuck into 200->210. Meanwhile the 210 segment is incredibly dull, long and either punishes you for already having done content (could've leveled those reps and done the relic at the same time), while solving absolutely none of the content problems (coil synced, primals synced, CT). The only segment really tackling content problems? None->170, and that segment can be skipped by people with zetas. Meanwhile, there is zero transparency what is to come since they say A and do B. They even said they acknowledged the complaints from before, and then they repeat the same things.

Your comparison tells me nothing of how long it takes, whether it is fun to do, whether there is any possible differences within the fights (randomization), whether you have a lot of options bonding or helping other people unless I go and investigate myself. And that is one single example out of a myriad of other games. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the relic's supposed to hold people for longer than one day and they intend to make it last the whole patch cycle, but.. that's it. All it should do is hold your attention. If it doesn't, then.. what other selling point really is there in just the patch? Anyone who looked up to the patch to hold their attention just lost any reason to stay.

But most of all, I'll repeat: why are we justifying grinds because Game Gamma had grind Hoobliehoob for Shiny Bracelet of Doom that was worse and arguably more monotone? Designers should be stepping away from these things, not justify them because they used to be worse or are worse in other games. Especially an entry-level MMO that is supposed to advertise itself to a very, very big audience. If you feel it is appropriately comparable to getting a Gordian (like you did in your post), that's a way more solid argument to justify it.