What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Kallera]

To the ppl expecting new content with relic, Why???? It takes a while to make content, it take money as well. They can't add new content every new thing they add to the game. What are you expecting, anything added will be more of the same.

People really should stop with the whole "copy/pasta" content bs...

name 1 video game that Did not have repeated content. Name 1 mmo that more or less had a make over EVERY expax. I personally can't think of any.

This is not some indie developer with his heart on his sleeve. This is a game company with years of experience and research. And the best they are coming up with is not original, not sufficient to the time investment, and a transparent attempt to make their poor, tired content look good.

The only thing this weapon shows at this moment is how much of shill one is for persuing the statistic goals of SE when asked. It has no special stats, some don't even have better stats, they certainly wont in 3.2!

[DisFlavored]

If you look closely at the complaints, people don't complain because they have to commit time into a weapon but rather that :

a) they are burn out with the content related with the relic.
b) the stats on relics are boring, and the weapons will become irrelevant soon, which kinda make the weapon not worth the effort.
c) The relic quest is litteraly copy-pasted from what was implemented in 2.0 (which kinda already caused an uproar).
d) no new content is tied to the relic.

People were expecting more, SE didn't deliver.

It boggles my mind, how all those white knights here simply look over the core issue. People are NOT complaining about the grind. We expected this. We're fine with it. We are complaining about there being NOTHING else besides the grind of outdated, recycled content.

These two, among others, telling why we're upset. Yes, it should be time consuming, but it shouldn't be something we autopilot. There is no skill required.

They wanted to increase the activity of the HW content that everyone is already bored of and stopped running. Fates were dead, let's do atma again! They're complaining about queues, let's make HW dungeons required! (funny because most of that queue issue is their fault >.>) Specialists want to be relevant, let's make crafted items required! Nobody runs Alex anymore, let's make them do it 1000 times!

Worse yet, eventually that relic will become the best weapon. If I remember correctly, we had the same issue with High Allagan weapons and the Zeta. They had to go through multiple patches to make the relic better than the end raid. I'm just waiting for when we have to collect dragon tears and six different kinds of blood to be forged into one gem.

[AzureFlare]

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So you use an N=1 comparison to say it is very mild compared to other gameS.

Look, your comparison is nice and all, but that's completely besides the point, especially for people who have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You go None->170->200->210, with the largest segment being stuck into 200->210. Meanwhile the 210 segment is incredibly dull, long and either punishes you for already having done content (could've leveled those reps and done the relic at the same time), while solving absolutely none of the content problems (coil synced, primals synced, CT). The only segment really tackling content problems? None->170, and that segment can be skipped by people with zetas. Meanwhile, there is zero transparency what is to come since they say A and do B. They even said they acknowledged the complaints from before, and then they repeat the same things.

Your comparison tells me nothing of how long it takes, whether it is fun to do, whether there is any possible differences within the fights (randomization), whether you have a lot of options bonding or helping other people unless I go and investigate myself. And that is one single example out of a myriad of other games. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the relic's supposed to hold people for longer than one day and they intend to make it last the whole patch cycle, but.. that's it. All it should do is hold your attention. If it doesn't, then.. what other selling point really is there in just the patch? Anyone who looked up to the patch to hold their attention just lost any reason to stay.

But most of all, I'll repeat: why are we justifying grinds because Game Gamma had grind Hoobliehoob for Shiny Bracelet of Doom that was worse and arguably more monotone? Designers should be stepping away from these things, not justify them because they used to be worse or are worse in other games. Especially an entry-level MMO that is supposed to advertise itself to a very, very big audience. If you feel it is appropriately comparable to getting a Gordian (like you did in your post), that's a way more solid argument to justify it.

[Alberel]

Yup I agree.

Last night there were about 80 from my FC on.... Not a single one was complaining about relics... not one. A few of them had already grind it out from scratch and were working on step 3.

The forum complaints really are a minority. And if you unsub because of an optional weapon in a very small patch... well then you weren't happy to begin with and nothing short of a full on expansion with new raid content would have made you happy. So in that case dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Another issue I see with the complaints is that it take too long, this is the instant gratification crowd. It's supposed to be time consuming... the most time consuming in the game, always has been always will.

You clearly haven't actually paid any attention to the arguments people are making; you're just spouting the routine criticism shutdown rhetoric that's used to demean anyone with a complaint. Whenever anyone complains about anything people like you start talking about 'instant gratification' and such. It's laughable that it doesn't even apply in this case because no one is complaining about the grind. Everyone EXPECTED a grind.

To the ppl expecting new content with relic, Why???? It takes a while to make content, it take money as well. They can't add new content every new thing they add to the game. What are you expecting, anything added will be more of the same.

People really should stop with the whole "copy/pasta" content bs...

name 1 video game that Did not have repeated content. Name 1 mmo that more or less had a make over EVERY expax. I personally can't think of any.

It's more the fact that the devs delayed the relic's release TWICE in order to work on it more. It was supposed to be released shortly after the expansion launched yet we got it six months later. Now look at what the quest actually entails: nothing new. Absolutely every component in this relic quest is recycled from the previous relic quest. So what took them six months to develop?

The point is we're being lied to. The relic wasn't delayed to improve it, it was delayed to pad content, which heavily implies the devs KNOW the game has little to keep people playing right now.

The relic isn't the sole problem either. People have been complaining that the devs are being lazy for months, ever since Alexander and 3.1 were both colossal failures (and again 3.1 was delayed yet it's the SMALLEST content patch we've seen to date). This show of laziness from the devs with regards to the relic is just the final straw that broke the camel's back. Many players, myself included, wanted the relic to give us a reason to keep playing until 3.2. But then most of us saw that final quest stage and realised we wouldn't finish before 3.2 rendered the reward obsolete. At that point there's no reason to even bother.

tl;dr The devs have been putting little effort into the game since 3.0 launched and people have given them multiple chances. They were already on a second chance after 1.0's failure. People are simply done giving SE a free pass to waste their subscription money.

[Moqi]

When the forum is inundated with nothing but petulant whining and little in the way of constructive criticism. Do you actually think they bother reading it? In fact, most companies explicitly advise against their employees reading forums, be it video games, sports or any industry, all due to how overwhelmingly negative and shitty people can be online.

Cool, their loss. I'm not sure why you think I care wether they read it or not.

[Bebekurenai]

You guys keep saying that we are against people giving feedback. All this is not feedback, it's not even negative feedback. It's straight out whining. Try to give constructive criticism instead. Don't just go "I don't like this, I'm gonna quit, SE gonna lose a lot of players to WoW, my suscription is worth more than that". That really is not feedback. And always keep in mind that you are not forced to do what they "toss" at you. But you are forced to let others that are happy play and enjoy the game as it is common courtesy and respect. You can't just whine and clasify those who don't as puppets >_>

[Adormus]

@Bebekurenai:

-"Player housing isn't accessible enough or not accessible at all, because there are no more free slots. You even promised us it'd be different from FC housing. Yet we share our homes with FC HQs."
-"Well, the 2 dungeons this patch were fun. So was the raid. But do you really think that'll carry the game for half a year? It'd be neat to get some more things to do besides leveling alts and collecting glamour items."
-"Leveling alts is a huge chore. You only have the options to do dungeons, fates or (limited) leve quests. How about other options. The Diadem for example could be extended to leveling players with unique objectives and rewards."

Literally hundreds of these posts were made. What else do you want? Should we not express our dissatisfaction because you want your happy wonderland to be unanimously loved?

[Kallera]

You guys keep saying that we are against people giving feedback. All this is not feedback, it's not even negative feedback. It's straight out whining. Try to give constructive criticism instead. Don't just go "I don't like this, I'm gonna quit, SE gonna lose a lot of players to WoW, my suscription is worth more than that". That really is not feedback. And always keep in mind that you are not forced to do what they "toss" at you. But you are forced to let others that are happy play and enjoy the game as it is common courtesy and respect. You can't just whine and clasify those who don't as puppets >_>

I'm seeing several reasons in a lot of those posts. Or maybe you just choosing to not hear it and trotting out the same old excuses we've had had to see time and again?

[valoiz2]

According to you EVERYONE in game is happy with the relic thing... People need to stop being fanboys/fangirls and take a look. This game is great as RPG mainstory and leveling are pretty cool BUT as an MMO doesn't work at all.

[Moqi]

And always keep in mind that you are not forced to do what they "toss" at you.

Oh yeah, what an absurd demand it is to want to enjoy the content of the game you pay a sub for. Unless you're paying my sub, I don't care what you like. It's getting my money if it caters to me.

"Buy this thing you have no use for because others do" is a valid argument for charities only. Despite what some people may lead you to believe with the way they act towards this game, SE is not one.