What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Conando]

Having to farm coil was never going to happen, you know that since a fair number still hasn't cleared Second Coil. That doesn't mean they could just flake out with what they're doing right now, though. The least they could have done was something like the primals of Relic 2.0 again, yeah.

[Atoli]

Something like 80% of the level 60 HW player-base that has finished the MSQ has finished Alex Normal.
But, as with this entire topic, keep exaggerating stuff and projecting onto that strawman.

I didn't exaggerate anything, you were the one who brought numbers into it, I merely said "a significant amount". And even if 80% were right, that would mean 20% of the people haven't cleared it yet. I'd consider that a significant amount.
But I'm not gonna continue to split hairs over stupid stuff like this. Your only purpose in this thread is to demean me which means you are exactly the type of person which made me start the thread in the first place - full of toxicity and negativity and without anything constructive to say.
Luckily, I have already seen a great amount of wonderful answers from all sides, especially lots of people who had a differing opinion from mine but were able to put it into calm words and clear argumentations, so I feel comforted knowing that not everyone has lost their minds completely

[PawsTheKitti123]

You have to be tone deaf to think that is what people are complaining about.

Never knew I actually hear what youre typing, but okay. Either way, the salt from the forums is kinda funny. I feel bad to those who arent rude, however since this has no affect on me I enjoy the show of others crying c:

[PawsTheKitti123]

It definitely sounds like they wanted instant gratification to me.

*Spongebob laughter* Either way I'm not unsubbing because of one patch tho

[Nominous]

even going so far as to accuse the devs of lying and going back on their promises - which they didn't, at least not in this case -

But... they explicitly did just that.

"The Zodiac questline didn't accurately reflect the time put in to your weapon. Next Relic/Upgrade weapon will be made so that time invested=power."
"Learned from 2.0 Relic."

-> Months worth of grind for a weapon that will likely be outclassed on 3.2 release. Not to mention, hours/days of grind, none of which increase power at all, or accurately reflect time spent.
-> Proceeds to remove the ability to customize relic. Why? Because apparently being on step one means we don't deserve something we know we could have. Gotta reset the good ole' playing field right?
-> Literally does nothing to evolve the quest whatsoever. Literally a carbon copy of previous relic.

Live-letters have talked about this tons of times in the past. Relics have been hot-topics more than once, and almost every time they mention having learned something about their community not liking a part of it, and how they'll take that into consideration. Or how this or that design philosophy should be applied for the 'next' (now current) relic weapon.


So yes, they did lie to people. Not only that, they don't need to state anything or lie, in order for the playerbase to be angry. The fact that they're literally, point for point, copying 2.0 in almost every conceivable way is enough. We aren't worth the hassle of creativity, it seems. Also, the cherry on the top is the sheer amount of tedium, and the fact that it was delayed, when these weapons are already on borrowed time.

[Brian_]

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckybanc...f/5f1259c8.png

8/9 Lodestone survey: 285378 players in possession of the Midgardsormr mount
9/9 SE released Eorzea Census: 230500 players cleared A4

~81% clear rate.

It might be higher or lower now ~3-4 months later. I think the safer wager is that it's higher.

So I provide actual real data instead of empty conjecture and yet I'm the one that's not productive? Okay.

But, as many others have pointed out, typing this is wasted energy. People like you see and believe what they want to. I prefer actual facts and yet that means I'm toxic and negative.

Stay classy, OF White Knights.

[Brian_]

Never knew I actually hear what youre typing, but okay. Either way, the salt from the forums is kinda funny. I feel bad to those who arent rude, however since this has no affect on me I enjoy the show of others crying c:

http://english.stackexchange.com/que...g-of-tone-deaf

I didn't think it was something that would need explaining. To translate the statement for you, I said "you have to possess an inability to understand the situation to think that is what people are complaining about."

[Savvy]

Your only purpose in this thread is to demean me which means you are exactly the type of person which made me start the thread in the first place - full of toxicity and negativity and without anything constructive to say.

You mean like how you called someone a blatant liar because you didn't agree with what they said? Nobody is demeaning you. Unless you consider disagreeing with you or challenging what you say to be demeaning, which is ridiculous.

[Aarik]

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckybanc...f/5f1259c8.png

8/9 Lodestone survey: 285378 players in possession of the Midgardsormr mount
9/9 SE released Eorzea Census: 230500 players cleared A4

~81% clear rate.

It might be higher or lower now 4+ months later. I think the safer wager is that it's higher.

So I provide actual real data instead of empty conjecture and yet I'm the one that's not productive? Okay.

But, as many others have pointed out, typing this is wasted energy. People like you see and believe what they want to. I prefer actual facts and yet that means I'm toxic and negative.

Stay classy, OF White Knights.

*pats* We both know that they just don't want to accept facts; facts have no opinion, and can't be argued with, so they argue with the one providing the facts. I can't say I blame them, though I do pity them; people come on FF to escape reality, so when ugly reality comes barging into their fantasy, people tend to get upset :P

[Viridiana]

Then get the Alex Savage weapon instead..? :x

You know that there are levels of skill in between "mouth breather" and "clearing A4S," right? I realize almost nothing in FFXIV points to the existence of these levels, but I assure you they exist.