What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Atoli]

I would have liked something that required actual skill instead of just a grind.

Then get the Alex Savage weapon instead..? :x
Relics were always meant - as stated by the dev team themselves - as something the average player could get if he just put in the time and effort, while raid weapons were for those who considered themselves good enough to get through the challenge.
Requiring hard, challenging content to get the relic defeats the entire purpose the weapon was created for in the first place. That's why there was such an outrage back when that Titan EX clear was required, because for many that was a blockade on a pretty similar level as just going for Coil directly.
Also, keep in mind that a significant amount of players hasn't even finished Alex normal, so farming Tokens from there is somewhat of a challenge for them too; although I admit that the Alex farm is not obligatory.

[Conando]

Then get the Alex Savage weapon instead..? :x
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Not so sure about the time and effort thing anymore, at least the time part when it comes to smaller servers where people are going to have a hell of a time with specialty crafting. You can take care of some of this yourself, but you're still going to need a group of like minded players or a ton of gil to get it done.

[Brian_]

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckybanc...f/5f1259c8.png

8/9 Lodestone survey: 285378 players in possession of the Midgardsormr mount
9/9 SE released Eorzea Census: 230500 players cleared A4

~81% clear rate.

It might be higher or lower now ~3-4 months later. I think the safer wager is that it's higher.

So I provide actual real data instead of empty conjecture and yet I'm the one that's not productive? Okay.

But, as many others have pointed out, typing this is wasted energy. People like you see and believe what they want to. I prefer actual facts and yet that means I'm toxic and negative.

Stay classy, OF White Knights.

[Aarik]

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckybanc...f/5f1259c8.png

8/9 Lodestone survey: 285378 players in possession of the Midgardsormr mount
9/9 SE released Eorzea Census: 230500 players cleared A4

~81% clear rate.

It might be higher or lower now 4+ months later. I think the safer wager is that it's higher.

So I provide actual real data instead of empty conjecture and yet I'm the one that's not productive? Okay.

But, as many others have pointed out, typing this is wasted energy. People like you see and believe what they want to. I prefer actual facts and yet that means I'm toxic and negative.

Stay classy, OF White Knights.

*pats* We both know that they just don't want to accept facts; facts have no opinion, and can't be argued with, so they argue with the one providing the facts. I can't say I blame them, though I do pity them; people come on FF to escape reality, so when ugly reality comes barging into their fantasy, people tend to get upset :P

[Sax]

Then get the Alex Savage weapon instead..? :x
Requiring hard, challenging content to get the relic defeats the entire purpose the weapon was created for in the first place. That's why there was such an outrage back when that Titan EX clear was required, because for many that was a blockade on a pretty similar level as just going for Coil directly.

Titan EX was not required for the initial 2.0 relic quests, it was only Titan HM. And most of the complaints about Titan HM at the time weren't about the difficulty of the encounter itself, rather they were about latency issues and lag.

EDIT: And Titan HM was in no way comparable to Turn 5 during 2.0. Suggesting that they were "a blockade on a pretty similar level" is a pretty big stretch.

[Brian_]

Then get the Alex Savage weapon instead..? :x
Relics were always meant - as stated by the dev team themselves - as something the average player could get if he just put in the time and effort, while raid weapons were for those who considered themselves good enough to get through the challenge.
Requiring hard, challenging content to get the relic defeats the entire purpose the weapon was created for in the first place. That's why there was such an outrage back when that Titan EX clear was required, because for many that was a blockade on a pretty similar level as just going for Coil directly.
Also, keep in mind that a significant amount of players hasn't even finished Alex normal, so farming Tokens from there is somewhat of a challenge for them too; although I admit that the Alex farm is not obligatory.

Something like 80% of the level 60 HW player-base that has finished the MSQ has finished Alex Normal.

But, as with this entire topic, keep exaggerating stuff and projecting onto that strawman.

[Viridiana]

Then get the Alex Savage weapon instead..? :x

You know that there are levels of skill in between "mouth breather" and "clearing A4S," right? I realize almost nothing in FFXIV points to the existence of these levels, but I assure you they exist.