What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Alberel]

I figure that might be the case iirc same thing happen when they where trying to save XIV it just seems truly boneheaded to me that If this is truly the case they are letting this happen. You would think they would put some thought into investing into this more seeing as how a MMO can and will destroy a company ffs XIV almost did it once lol.

The MMO industry has been plagued with poor business decisions by management for years. They seem to treat an MMO like any other project they're operating, cutting budgets to try and get the optimal return on the money put into it. Unfortunately with MMOs you can't afford to take the risk of cutting the budget too low. As soon as players feel they're not getting their money's worth they start to quit, and this tends to create a feedback loop of more and more people quitting. If Yoshi's team doesn't get the budget they truly need soon it's possible the game will enter an unrecoverable downward spiral.

I've played through the rise and fall of dozens of MMOs. Doomsaying posts are something of a cliche, I know, but as much as many want to claim it's only a vocal minority crying foul right now, when the ENTIRE forum AND reddit are flooded with absolutely nothing but outrage over a single issue that's usually a sign the game is on the brink. They can save it if they respond to this feedback quickly. If not, then a lot of players will lose faith and the population will begin a steady decline. It happens to every MMO eventually. I didn't expect to see it happen here so soon though.

[GiseleValkyrie]

You know I can agree there is some that are quite bitter to just be bitter and all but its not helping at all when some people feel the need to die on that hill for every mistake that might happen with this game. You can love the game and still call it out for its faults

[Aarik]

Yeah, so new and beating the crap out of FFXIV, especially since that is something similar to what we had like 5 stages back in our ARR relic quest already..x)
Sorry, got a bit sarcastic there. The point I'm trying to make is that the things an MMO can use for their relics is limited. As your example shows, even the praised things other MMOs do are nothing new or different either, it's still things FFXIV did as well or at least in a similar fashion.
The range of different things to do to finish the relic step has never been so vast; but of course it's going to involve the existing content in some form.

While this is true, I can't be the only one wondering why they didn't design the relic quests more like they did the original upgrade quest? Fighting chimera, then hydra, then the HM primals....that was fun! I, and many others, had a blast. And while some finished it very quickly, most of us were stuck trying to beat ol' crag-butt for quite some time....yet once you did, you felt so very accomplished.The quests after that had nothing like that...they were just lifeless grinds, and you didn't feel accomplished at all. The same applies here. I personally won't do this relic, because I know myself well enough that I'll just feel empty and cheated once it's all done.

As for the time zone thing, perhaps; I've always been terrible at converting zones. But even though the post was directed at another, I'll still gladly recant my words about server activity. Still though, there are some very legitimate complaints on these forums (after you sift through the 'this game is gonna dieeeeee!' posts) that need to be addressed; hopefully in the upcoming live-letter, though I won't hold my breath on that.

[Kosmos992k]

I might as well make a new rule for myself. Instead of the old "Never play on patchday." one, I'll go with "Never visit the forums of a game on patchday."

You'll also have to lower your expectations, and then lower them again for good measure.

[Conando]

I'm not even sure people are still upset about it being a grind so much as it being literally every single Relic grind from 2.2+.

[jObEfiSH]

Yeah, so new and beating the crap out of FFXIV, especially since that is something similar to what we had like 5 stages back in our ARR relic quest already..x)
Sorry, got a bit sarcastic there. The point I'm trying to make is that the things an MMO can use for their relics is limited. As your example shows, even the praised things other MMOs do are nothing new or different either, it's still things FFXIV did as well or at least in a similar fashion.
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It is ok, these forums have a way of bringing the worst out and making people (myself included) more defensive than is necessary. The WoW reference is more of a look at the fact that they are adding new areas with actual new abilities that come into the weapon AND you can customize what specific blade design, handle design and even color you want. I haven't read up much on the game but I did read about that and like there was some cool design aspects to it. I am sure Final Fantasy can do way way better and that is my main gripe, Final Fantasy CAN do better, they ARE better than this and personally I feel like this is just a copy and paste of year 1. I do enjoy the story aspects surrounding the Anima weapons though, I do give that to them this year :P

[Eul]

Especially on the last phase of relic. >_>

[Aarik]

I'm not even sure people are still upset about it being a grind so much as it being literally every single Relic grind from 2.2+.

I dunno, they didn't include light grinding! We can only assume they're saving that for the next step....10000 light with a bis/rav EX fight netting you 4 light seems about right

[Atoli]

I've played through the rise and fall of dozens of MMOs. Doomsaying posts are something of a cliche, I know, but when the ENTIRE forum AND reddit are flooded with absolutely nothing but outrage over a single issue that's usually a sign the game is on the brink.

I've been on this forum for 4 1/2 years now, and many years in other MMOs forums before that. On every single patch day in every single MMO, there has been an outrage about some of the changes/additions and people freaking out calling it the beginningof the end (or the literal end) until they had completely forgotten about how they were up in arms a week later, usually after they actually played around with that feature for a while
So I wouldn't write off FFXIV just yet.
I completely agree on the first part of your comment though; and the thing that DOES worry me are the complaints that stick around. Not something like the general patchday panic (which I despise, that's why I made this thread in the first place xD but I know it's jsut the natural course of things) but concerns that stay vocal over a long amount of time, like the content drought...which IS something that could be avoided with adequate funding. More staff would also mean more creative ideas, and I don't think MMOs suffer from any of that (unless they go overboard, like Tanaka did with 1.0 )

[PawsTheKitti123]

I love how everyone's complaining about it yet they still do it and keep their sub while they threaten SE to unsub behind their PCs/Ps4(3s) as they farm

I also love how people are speaking for others and saying how everyone else should unsub too

These relics have literally made my server's pf have like 15 pfs up which made me happy because my server is very inactive and people are showing up to do the relics. I for one have absutely zero interest in relics, so I sit back and watch the rage on the forums with a nice big bucket of popcorn and a smile