What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[RocknRolla]

My personal problem with the relic grind is a few things: (as a filthy casual)

1: It's not entertaining or challenging. It's just a grind, no skill, nothing but a time sink, which as a new father I don't have.

2: It won't last. Just until the next patch and then it's time to do a whole other grind all over again

3: As a paying customer I feel like I've been slapped in the face with rehashed, recycled content (atma grinding)

It's upsetting and the best way I can put it that I feel right now is that my "feelings are hurt". I've been extremely faithful to FF and the SE crew since XI, and loved everything about that game, even though it was 10x harder than XIV. However I feel like the DEV team hasn't been listening to it's player base or taking us seriously, and as loyal paying customers that hurts.

[Aarik]

Sorry, but that is either a blatant lie or you were online at 4 in the morning on a weekday, which means of course the number of people will dwindle.

Not 4 in the morning, no, I was on from about 8am-12pm CST, which (if I'm remembering my time zones correctly) is around 4-8pm over in Europe, unless I'm mistaken. And I'll readily admit my FC is pretty dead; 3.1 killed log-in rates there. But the other linkshells have been pretty consistently steady as far as participation goes.

[Greedalox]

Have you seen WoWs new Relic system plans? It is hands down beating the crap out of FFXIV, I haven't even played WoW in many many years and have zero desire to but they are actually trying something new. They are taking it places I didn't expect, taking your weapon to your actual class trainer and having you choose what path of skill points you put into your weapon to make it grow stronger. FFXIV could have actually TRIED something new, but they literally took what people did Year 1 and made it even more obnoxious. If people want to say that this is about people over reacting that is fine, but they should at least be able to provide SOME honest feedback on what is actually enjoyable about it before just discrediting everyone with an opinion about wanting the game to be better as people that just want to whine.

WoW seems to be a better fit for you as a player!

[Heskett]

THAT, is what people are so pissed about. Happy?

I'm against your attitude more than your opinion. You can hate the current patch cycle's relic grind, but don't use a dumb term like "white knight" on people who disagree with you. Also don't blantantly lie to try to prove a point.

[GiseleValkyrie]

Have you seen WoWs new Relic system plans? .

Yes I have and I actually brought that up in my first post in the thread the grind would have been ok at least to me if the relic progressed along with your class in some way would be cool. I wasn't necessarily attacking you over your post atleast you actually have a idea what you want and not just throwing it out there. A live letter is coming up and it doesn't just seem like people on the NA side are the only ones with the opinion on these steps maybe they will talk about it.

[Kosmos992k]

Awesome topic and post. Thank you for posting.

[Heskett]

And yet I backed up my comments, and even responded to Atoli with my personal experience. Tell you what; how about you log onto every single server, go in their pfs, and take a screenshot. Pop them in here, with all of them being double-digits relic related, and I will eat my words, because you would have completely proved me wrong (at least right now, seeing as how I'm not logged on atm). I will even make a post completely taking back my statement. Yet until this happens, my statement remains; next time don't make such over-arching statements.

I'm not going to do that because its 1AM EST. The moment for that has passed. My server, Coeurl, is consistenly bottom 10 population-wise and it just now dipped under 10 PFs as of now. I can assure you that a server like Mateus or Zalera is no longer sprouting double digits at this time

[Alberel]

OP you seem to be missing that this complete joke of a relic quest is simply the final straw for many people.

1) The expansion was really just a large content patch with little in the way of major shakeups to general gameplay (which expansions are usually expected to bring). Besides flying there were ZERO new gameplay systems, no new progression systems, no new stats, nothing. Just more of the same. The new job skills were nice for a few weeks and then progression stagnated again in record time.

2) The delay to 3.1 left people burning out rapidly as they soon realised 3.0 was just a re-skin of what they'd already been doing in 2.x.

3) Alexander's delayed release was a disaster as the community pretty unanimously hated the raid and almost no one has even bothered to ATTEMPT savage, let alone cleared it. People simply have no interest in the raid.

4) 3.1 was easily the smallest patch since 2.0 (seriously, a delay that long and we get almost nothing?) Many were struggling to justify paying their sub at this point.

5) People are burnt out, player activity is at an all-time low, and we get a relic quest that requires us to run Alexander EIGHT-HUNDRED TIMES to complete it.

Can you see now why so many people are getting a little hysterical? Since June our subs have seemingly been going into a black hole as content patches have become later, smaller and lower in quality. The relic was the game's last chance for many players and SE made it WORSE than the old one. To top it all off the majority of players will not finish the relic before 3.2 renders it obsolete. What's the point?

[Aarik]

I'm against your attitude more than your opinion. You can hate the current patch cycle's relic grind, but don't use a dumb term like "white knight" on people who disagree with you. Also don't blantantly lie to try to prove a point.

I use the term 'white knight' because that is what you are doing. Yes, there are those who simply rage and don't say why, but there are others who have legitimate complaints, and you sit there demeaning their argument and calling them "incredibly hysterical" I believe were the exact words. The definition of a 'white knight' as applied to the forum scenario: "On an internet forum, a person who defends a member who is clearly wrong, usually with the hopes of gaining brownie points with said member. Often seen as negative behavior."

In this scenario, the one you are defending would be either Square Enix or the development team, who quite frankly used a very dirty tactic to stretch subscription times to 3.2. They have claimed that they postponed the new relic due to it not being finished; quite frankly that is a poorly constructed lie. Why? Simple; the only thing they've added is the weapons themselves and the few items required for said relics. Everything else is completely recycled. They delayed relic for 3.15 so that they could stretch subscriptions as far as they could, it's dirty business, but business nonetheless.

[Ferrick]

Honestly speaking, I don't feel like it's worth doing the anima quests due to it's intense grinding nature with little to no reward to some classes. As a dragoon, I have basically thrown away all of my hard work on my Zeta for a weapon that's effectively gimping my dps because of the insane amount of Skillspeed and the big decrease in critical from the Eso and A4s weapon. And that's not the only dilemma I face with this whole Anima thing, there's basically no reason for me to keep the anima by the time the next update rolls in because more often than not, a better weapon is implemented, effectively making the anima weapon nothing more than a glorified expensive glamour.

If it had something like a skill effect or potency boost, then it may be worth keeping it, but as of now there's no reason to do it.