What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Atoli]

Goodness, White Knights on this thread sure do like to throw out completely unfounded numbers, don't you? Here's a stat for you; I was logged on Ragnarok during peak hours today for about 4 hours. I saw two pf up pertaining to the relic quest. The other few were recruitment messages/looking to buy a house.

Sorry, but that is either a blatant lie or you were online at 4 in the morning on a weekday, which means of course the number of people will dwindle.
I'm on Ragnarok as well, been online all day since the patch went live until now, and throughout all of the day there have been at least 30 groups in pf doing relic stuff, usually about 8 FATE parties (with the anima crystal farm as an objective listed), 5 Alex farm parties (anima farm as an objective as well) and the rest various unsynced parties for the second relic step, ALSO with the relic quest as the objective listed. All of my Linkshells and FCs have also been incredibly busy, but that's a personal thing, yours might jsut legitimately be dead, so that part doesn't count. Anyway, server was incredibly active with the relic quest all day.

[GiseleValkyrie]

Well you seem to have the knowledge about what people are enjoying, let's give the new relic grind some praise! What is your favorite part of the last step? I can't even decide, so much new, fun and innovative stuff. I hope WoW doesn't come along and steal this fun gameplay away. So yes, let us hear what you think is good about the new weapon grind?

Ok I see this innovative talk alot what do you want innovative in this game? This is a real question because right now it just seems you want to just shut down and jump down anyone's throat for the heck of it.

[Greedalox]

Well you seem to have the knowledge about what people are enjoying, let's give the new relic grind some praise! What is your favorite part of the last step? I can't even decide, so much new, fun and innovative stuff. I hope WoW doesn't come along and steal this fun gameplay away. So yes, let us hear what you think is good about the new weapon grind?

You seem to be really defensive. Because you seem to have trouble people "speaking for you", would you mind telling me why you're aching?

As to answer your attempt at to dismantle me, I am having great fun chatting with my friends grinding Law and Alexander. I'm super thrilled with the spiral tendrils around the i200 :3 And I am extremely fond of the appearance of many of them! Especially my up and coming gun. I'm currently at 8/80 of my pieces necessary and am in a group of people who informed me themselves they're having a great time.

Step off, Buddy. You being facetious isn't cute or admirable.

[Evangela]

People are happy to have things to do for the next few months? I don't think it's something I want to do, it's more like torturing. Playing video games should... entertaining me, for god sake. If you find it entertaining, well, good for you. But don't act like other people don't have a valid reason to dislike it.

[Slippin]

Because the forum is one massive cesspool of negativity.

[Kerii]

Because the forum is one massive cesspool of negativity.

I keep telling myself that, but yet here I am... Do we need help?

[Aarik]

You are literally throwing a tantrum over this.

Actually I was pointing out your hypocrisy, which you have avoided quite skillfully. But enough about that, as a white knight you're probably horrified/disgusted by us people do dare complain, so I will give you a logical, non-emotional argument. First and foremost, what most people are angry about is not the grind, though it is immense. What they (myself included) are angry about is the fact that it is completely recycled content; the zones may be different, and the items may differ, but the requirements are the same as before; well except the only enjoyable aspect of the old relic, that being the chimera/hydra/primals. Not only are they the same as before, but on top of that they've added even more grind than previously; and this is just the first stage. If people wish to obtain the ilvl210 relic by the time 3.2 comes out, then they need to utilize everything at their disposal; hunt marks, beastmen tokens, poetics, ect. Yet people have looong been burned out on hunts, and a great few have absolutely no interest in beastmen. That leaves poetics; of which you will need (if memory serves) only 54,460 poetics. Not all that much, right?

The point of all of this; while yes, the relic grind was severe before, it was at least toned down enough that people who didn't log on every single day to do everything for relic could enjoy their weapon for typically at least a month or two. Yet with the requirements for this new relic; the first stage might I add, by the time most obtain it, either 3.2 will have released with better weapons, or a mini-patch that lets us trade in our void ark tokens to upgrade our eso weapons. Either way, their struggle will have been invalidated before they even finish.

THAT, is what people are so pissed about. Happy?

[Joeking]

Because the forum is one massive cesspool of negativity.

Welcome, Brother.

[jObEfiSH]

Ok I see this innovative talk alot what do you want innovative in this game? This is a real question because right now it just seems you want to just shut down and jump down anyone's throat for the heck of it.

Have you seen WoWs new Relic system plans? It is hands down beating the crap out of FFXIV, I haven't even played WoW in many many years and have zero desire to but they are actually trying something new. They are taking it places I didn't expect, taking your weapon to your actual class trainer and having you choose what path of skill points you put into your weapon to make it grow stronger. FFXIV could have actually TRIED something new, but they literally took what people did Year 1 and made it even more obnoxious. If people want to say that this is about people over reacting that is fine, but they should at least be able to provide SOME honest feedback on what is actually enjoyable about it before just discrediting everyone with an opinion about wanting the game to be better as people that just want to whine.

[Atoli]

4 HQ crafted items that require several different specialists. The last bit is the real sticking point, the grind for tokens would have been more than enough, but then they chose to tack on the crafting requirement that will lead to things such as RMT on smaller servers.

We also had various threads in the last few weeks where crafters asked SE to make specialists useful and important. That's exactly what they did with this mini-patch (because now people are forced to buy the parts specialists made since you need all 8 but can play 3 at most) yet now people are unhappy with them being that important and holding the key to relic in their hands with the price range they decide on. You can't possibly please both sides, that's the problem. Either their products are important, which will lead to them having power over others in some way, or they aren't, which will make crafters ask "why should we even do them, then?", especially since a lot of work has to be put in to make these recipes work.