What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Atoli]

Goodness, White Knights on this thread sure do like to throw out completely unfounded numbers, don't you? Here's a stat for you; I was logged on Ragnarok during peak hours today for about 4 hours. I saw two pf up pertaining to the relic quest. The other few were recruitment messages/looking to buy a house.

Sorry, but that is either a blatant lie or you were online at 4 in the morning on a weekday, which means of course the number of people will dwindle.
I'm on Ragnarok as well, been online all day since the patch went live until now, and throughout all of the day there have been at least 30 groups in pf doing relic stuff, usually about 8 FATE parties (with the anima crystal farm as an objective listed), 5 Alex farm parties (anima farm as an objective as well) and the rest various unsynced parties for the second relic step, ALSO with the relic quest as the objective listed. All of my Linkshells and FCs have also been incredibly busy, but that's a personal thing, yours might jsut legitimately be dead, so that part doesn't count. Anyway, server was incredibly active with the relic quest all day.

[Aarik]

Sorry, but that is either a blatant lie or you were online at 4 in the morning on a weekday, which means of course the number of people will dwindle.

Not 4 in the morning, no, I was on from about 8am-12pm CST, which (if I'm remembering my time zones correctly) is around 4-8pm over in Europe, unless I'm mistaken. And I'll readily admit my FC is pretty dead; 3.1 killed log-in rates there. But the other linkshells have been pretty consistently steady as far as participation goes.

[Heskett]

And yet I backed up my comments, and even responded to Atoli with my personal experience. Tell you what; how about you log onto every single server, go in their pfs, and take a screenshot. Pop them in here, with all of them being double-digits relic related, and I will eat my words, because you would have completely proved me wrong (at least right now, seeing as how I'm not logged on atm). I will even make a post completely taking back my statement. Yet until this happens, my statement remains; next time don't make such over-arching statements.

I'm not going to do that because its 1AM EST. The moment for that has passed. My server, Coeurl, is consistenly bottom 10 population-wise and it just now dipped under 10 PFs as of now. I can assure you that a server like Mateus or Zalera is no longer sprouting double digits at this time

[Atoli]

taking your weapon to your actual class trainer and having you choose what path of skill points you put into your weapon to make it grow stronger.

Yeah, so new and beating the crap out of FFXIV, especially since that is something similar to what we had like 5 stages back in our ARR relic quest already..x)
Sorry, got a bit sarcastic there. The point I'm trying to make is that the things an MMO can use for their relics is limited. As your example shows, even the praised things other MMOs do are nothing new or different either, it's still things FFXIV did as well or at least in a similar fashion.
The range of different things to do to finish the relic step has never been so vast; but of course it's going to involve the existing content in some form. After all, the relic quest is just that, a quest. It's not a big new patch that brings new dungeons and trials and raids with it. And the ways you can let the players interact with the existing content are limited, that's why we get the dreaded recycled relic steps.
I'm not happy with all of them either, but I want to commend SE on actually taking the problems into consideration that they faced before (way too incredibly low atma drop rates, RNG on dungeon runs, forcing players into just one specific type of content, including a trial that many many players couldn't clear at the time, and so on) and avoiding them this time. It's not perfect, but if you take the possibilities into consideration, they did fairly well.

But all of that doesn't matter, at least not in this thread, because it's not a discussion about what should/could be better about the relic quests (there are a billion other threads out there for that xD). This thread was more about the hysterical behaviour people had in most threads, and I'm pleased to see that those who do bring arguments about the relic quest to this thread do it in a calm manner

And yet I backed up my comments, and even responded to Atoli with my personal experience. Tell you what; how about you log onto every single server, go in their pfs, and take a screenshot. Pop them in here, with all of them being double-digits relic related, and I will eat my words, because you would have completely proved me wrong (at least right now, seeing as how I'm not logged on atm). I will even make a post completely taking back my statement. Yet until this happens, my statement remains; next time don't make such over-arching statements.

That's actually something I thought of xD
The time you stated was super busy, that's when I was doing the second step and for every dungeon I had about 6 different parties to choose from (well, except for me having the wrong role to join, but yeah xD). I remember very clearly how many first and third stage parties were there as well, because I refreshed df many times and scrolled through all the entries since I was using df to go through those dungeons.
But of course I didn't take any screenshots of it, because I never thought I'd need to prove that later on..?xD Now it's 7 am, everyone is either asleep or at work, so yeah. But I will take a screenshot today during the specified time
Maybe you did mess up the timezone after all? Ragnarok is such a lively server, even before 3.15, during 4-11 pm European Time we close to never have below 8-12 pf entries.

[Aarik]

Yeah, so new and beating the crap out of FFXIV, especially since that is something similar to what we had like 5 stages back in our ARR relic quest already..x)
Sorry, got a bit sarcastic there. The point I'm trying to make is that the things an MMO can use for their relics is limited. As your example shows, even the praised things other MMOs do are nothing new or different either, it's still things FFXIV did as well or at least in a similar fashion.
The range of different things to do to finish the relic step has never been so vast; but of course it's going to involve the existing content in some form.

While this is true, I can't be the only one wondering why they didn't design the relic quests more like they did the original upgrade quest? Fighting chimera, then hydra, then the HM primals....that was fun! I, and many others, had a blast. And while some finished it very quickly, most of us were stuck trying to beat ol' crag-butt for quite some time....yet once you did, you felt so very accomplished.The quests after that had nothing like that...they were just lifeless grinds, and you didn't feel accomplished at all. The same applies here. I personally won't do this relic, because I know myself well enough that I'll just feel empty and cheated once it's all done.

As for the time zone thing, perhaps; I've always been terrible at converting zones. But even though the post was directed at another, I'll still gladly recant my words about server activity. Still though, there are some very legitimate complaints on these forums (after you sift through the 'this game is gonna dieeeeee!' posts) that need to be addressed; hopefully in the upcoming live-letter, though I won't hold my breath on that.

[Felis]

While this is true, I can't be the only one wondering why they didn't design the relic quests more like they did the original upgrade quest? Fighting chimera, then hydra, then the HM primals Defending Hamlets, doing dungeon super speed-runs, collecting beastmen coins, doing some battle leves and guildhests, spiritbind the unfinished weapon up to 100% solo, fighting against ifrit (extrem) at the end (in gear not better than Darklight) ....that was fun!

I fixed it a bit

[jObEfiSH]

Yeah, so new and beating the crap out of FFXIV, especially since that is something similar to what we had like 5 stages back in our ARR relic quest already..x)
Sorry, got a bit sarcastic there. The point I'm trying to make is that the things an MMO can use for their relics is limited. As your example shows, even the praised things other MMOs do are nothing new or different either, it's still things FFXIV did as well or at least in a similar fashion.
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It is ok, these forums have a way of bringing the worst out and making people (myself included) more defensive than is necessary. The WoW reference is more of a look at the fact that they are adding new areas with actual new abilities that come into the weapon AND you can customize what specific blade design, handle design and even color you want. I haven't read up much on the game but I did read about that and like there was some cool design aspects to it. I am sure Final Fantasy can do way way better and that is my main gripe, Final Fantasy CAN do better, they ARE better than this and personally I feel like this is just a copy and paste of year 1. I do enjoy the story aspects surrounding the Anima weapons though, I do give that to them this year :P