Most of you guys saying that the grind is fine are at i170 to i200, you guys haven't really started the i200 to i210. The HQ items needed are from specialist, which one character only has up to 3, the materials are easy but they are gated behind master/specialize crafters. Its only a matter of time before people get burnt out by the same process. And No, saying that while the old players leave and new one comes in is not a viable solution.

It'd be funny if the people here right now who are saying that 3.15 relic grind is sane and at 4.0 after the same repeated process they'd be the ones criticising relic grinds.