What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Heskett]

Well I don't believe you either!

That guy posts nothing but vitriol so I'm not inclined to take him seriously.

[Aarik]

That guy posts nothing but vitriol so I'm not inclined to take him seriously.

And you post nothing but unfounded, overblown statistics. Yet we're supposed to believe YOU instead? Thanks btw, for calling me a liar while making broad and completely unfounded statements. The hypocrisy is real.

[Heskett]

And you post nothing but unfounded, overblown statistics. Yet we're supposed to believe YOU instead? Thanks btw, for calling me a liar while making broad and completely unfounded statements. The hypocrisy is real.

You are literally throwing a tantrum over this.

[Aarik]

You are literally throwing a tantrum over this.

Actually I was pointing out your hypocrisy, which you have avoided quite skillfully. But enough about that, as a white knight you're probably horrified/disgusted by us people do dare complain, so I will give you a logical, non-emotional argument. First and foremost, what most people are angry about is not the grind, though it is immense. What they (myself included) are angry about is the fact that it is completely recycled content; the zones may be different, and the items may differ, but the requirements are the same as before; well except the only enjoyable aspect of the old relic, that being the chimera/hydra/primals. Not only are they the same as before, but on top of that they've added even more grind than previously; and this is just the first stage. If people wish to obtain the ilvl210 relic by the time 3.2 comes out, then they need to utilize everything at their disposal; hunt marks, beastmen tokens, poetics, ect. Yet people have looong been burned out on hunts, and a great few have absolutely no interest in beastmen. That leaves poetics; of which you will need (if memory serves) only 54,460 poetics. Not all that much, right?

The point of all of this; while yes, the relic grind was severe before, it was at least toned down enough that people who didn't log on every single day to do everything for relic could enjoy their weapon for typically at least a month or two. Yet with the requirements for this new relic; the first stage might I add, by the time most obtain it, either 3.2 will have released with better weapons, or a mini-patch that lets us trade in our void ark tokens to upgrade our eso weapons. Either way, their struggle will have been invalidated before they even finish.

THAT, is what people are so pissed about. Happy?

[Heskett]

THAT, is what people are so pissed about. Happy?

I'm against your attitude more than your opinion. You can hate the current patch cycle's relic grind, but don't use a dumb term like "white knight" on people who disagree with you. Also don't blantantly lie to try to prove a point.

[Aarik]

I'm against your attitude more than your opinion. You can hate the current patch cycle's relic grind, but don't use a dumb term like "white knight" on people who disagree with you. Also don't blantantly lie to try to prove a point.

I use the term 'white knight' because that is what you are doing. Yes, there are those who simply rage and don't say why, but there are others who have legitimate complaints, and you sit there demeaning their argument and calling them "incredibly hysterical" I believe were the exact words. The definition of a 'white knight' as applied to the forum scenario: "On an internet forum, a person who defends a member who is clearly wrong, usually with the hopes of gaining brownie points with said member. Often seen as negative behavior."

In this scenario, the one you are defending would be either Square Enix or the development team, who quite frankly used a very dirty tactic to stretch subscription times to 3.2. They have claimed that they postponed the new relic due to it not being finished; quite frankly that is a poorly constructed lie. Why? Simple; the only thing they've added is the weapons themselves and the few items required for said relics. Everything else is completely recycled. They delayed relic for 3.15 so that they could stretch subscriptions as far as they could, it's dirty business, but business nonetheless.

[GiseleValkyrie]

I wounder if most of the size of the team is some how starting to effect content how big are they again? I'm sure the current team is trying but I am wondering If the lack of man power (if there is a lack of it) is starting to show which is leading them to play it safe on alot of things.

[Heskett]

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I see your point so I'll be dropping this. Its not that I am defending SE, but its more that I am abhorrently against the behaviors of people on this forum. Good night.