What is wrong with people on the forum..?

[Joeking]

There is less crying in game.

You are correct, because there a probably less people playing now. lels

[Heskett]

You are correct, because there a probably less people playing now. lels

Yet every server has party finders in the double digits.

[Joeking]

Yet every server has party finders in the double digits.

It must mean they haven't reached the most fun part of the Relic quest line. ^__^

[Aarik]

Yet every server has party finders in the double digits.

Goodness, White Knights on this thread sure do like to throw out completely unfounded numbers, don't you? Here's a stat for you; I was logged on Ragnarok during peak hours today for about 4 hours. I saw two pf up pertaining to the relic quest. The other few were recruitment messages/looking to buy a house. I have six linkshells, four of which are exceedingly large and tend to be busy, the other two are for fc usage. Chat was completely dead. There were six people on the largest linkshell online, of which there are hundreds in. My friends list, which I keep updated (and full) had 4 people on. There was one person in my fc that logged on today, he asked about the update, I sent him the reddit showing what was needed. He laughed, logged, and texted me if I wanted to play some BF4. I said yep, and dropped this pile of flaming fecal matter.

But getting back to the point; double digit pfs in all servers eh? Mmhmm. Sure. Keep white-knighting. You only propagate this poisonous mindset that SE has that just copy/pasting old content and calling it new is completely alright.

[Heskett]

bait

I don't believe you at all.

[Gardes]

I don't believe you at all.

Well I don't believe you either!

[Heskett]

Well I don't believe you either!

That guy posts nothing but vitriol so I'm not inclined to take him seriously.

[Aarik]

That guy posts nothing but vitriol so I'm not inclined to take him seriously.

And you post nothing but unfounded, overblown statistics. Yet we're supposed to believe YOU instead? Thanks btw, for calling me a liar while making broad and completely unfounded statements. The hypocrisy is real.

[ColdestHeaven]

Wallpost incoming. Sorry for that.

I don't believe you at all.

I logged in, same server as Aarik, and looked at the DF.

http://i.imgur.com/84PPiVt.png

The point is not that there actually are PFs about this relic - this is not, per se, good nor bad. It was probably supposed to replenish DF queues, not unsynch/organized parties to clear them. Nothing really gained. So I really wouldn't use that argument to support this.

The point is that even if the first step is a rehash of the atma. Even if the second step is a marathone of the last dungeons you have done plus leveling dungeons which you had to grind to get your char to 60. That last part is completely unnecessary in terms of magnitude and some can even argue in terms of content approached. Beast tribes and treasure maps I can get behind if you don't have time. Alexander normal, I can understand if people wouldn't wanna run it otherwise, sort of. But why would you leave things such as 2.0 raids behind to stay completely dead (especially the 24-man ones)? EX primals were given an enormous boost in terms of replayability/grinding reasons - mounts and crafting items, mostly, and this happened a large amount of times over the patches. I actually see many Kirins, and I actually still see some primal farming parties going on.

Nexus step made every content useful, although trials were still favored in terms of time/reward. Then again, trials did not warrant long queues anymore after that, at least for a long time. 24-man raids were wonderful, too, especially when the bonus was on. Zodiac brought a good synergy between gatherers, crafters and desynthers (or whatever the word), shaked the economy and so on. Novus? Eh, loathed the gil sink but it still introduced the "Imma do it right now and bust my ass / Imma do it day by day and still make it in acceptable times" concept that kinda worked for Nexus too, I suppose.

This, though?
First step is an atma roulette yet again, except you have more skills to use. The reason I'm here typing instead of still looking for shards, I suppose, it's because I had a Zeta I was willing to sacrifice. Not a fan of it, but I guess enduring RNG for a weapon is something I'm already familiar with as long as it's not 1%.
Second step is a marathone of dungeons I have already done for other steps, and most of them I did unsynched. It was fun watching my team-mates tear everything to pieces and breaking mechanics the first time (*cough* Animadversion-DODGE *cough*), but honestly I coulda done without that. Besides, HW dungeons made me remember how frustrating the BotD system and buff timings were without a Geirskogul to wind down.
Third step is mostly what made people angry. You know, the vocal part that you claim it's the minority. That's when the so-called vitriol comes.

Pros) You have multiple routes to take. Which is good, because variety is good. I like having options, just as much as I like grinding to choose every option and rush it. It also takes into account crafters, like Zodiac did.
Cons) Content is not challenging game-wise, rather it is time-wise and sanity-wise. We already had step one for that, Square, or if we skipped that we had two years for that. And yes, that was worth a strong glowing dyable weapon. Not a strong-until-3.2-hits (which by the way is how much it will probably take to make it) undyable weapon. Heck, people are rushing to Awoken because it's middle-ground in terms of effort/reward and it even has a swirly aura, some don't even care about it reaching Anima status. They could have added new content for that (bosses such as Chimera Dhorme or Hydra) or rehashed content that many actually complained about not being queuable anymore.

Vitriol, you call it. I call it "unpolite feedback", but still fair in terms of what was addressed.

TL;DR: I have been a relic rusher since Realm Reborn, I think I have even been close to getting one of the first Nexuses in the server at one moment, but at this moment - in order to get only a 5ilvl boost in my weapon which will not change my fate in savage encounters and will be made just as useless when next patch hits - I just can't feel like commiting myself to such a chore. My Longinus is a reminder of a struggle which was worth it - just as much as the Awoken is the reminder of a struggle which I consider clearly overtuned, both in terms of reward and amount of effort. Clearing A4S seems easier and less time consuming, considering my dedication to this game - and dedication is what made me get my ARR relic, mind you.

[Atoli]

Goodness, White Knights on this thread sure do like to throw out completely unfounded numbers, don't you? Here's a stat for you; I was logged on Ragnarok during peak hours today for about 4 hours. I saw two pf up pertaining to the relic quest. The other few were recruitment messages/looking to buy a house.

Sorry, but that is either a blatant lie or you were online at 4 in the morning on a weekday, which means of course the number of people will dwindle.
I'm on Ragnarok as well, been online all day since the patch went live until now, and throughout all of the day there have been at least 30 groups in pf doing relic stuff, usually about 8 FATE parties (with the anima crystal farm as an objective listed), 5 Alex farm parties (anima farm as an objective as well) and the rest various unsynced parties for the second relic step, ALSO with the relic quest as the objective listed. All of my Linkshells and FCs have also been incredibly busy, but that's a personal thing, yours might jsut legitimately be dead, so that part doesn't count. Anyway, server was incredibly active with the relic quest all day.