Does SE want to us go back to WoW? Because this is how you lose MORE players to WoW.

[Lemuel81]

so there not even final form yet.. calm down

even in its final form, its going to be bland

[Blitzace]

even in its final form, its going to be bland

Then by all means, don't do it. The people who do wanna do it, will do it.

[Lemuel81]

Then by all means, don't do it. The people who do wanna do it, will do it.

I probably won't. and quite honestly many of the people who will do it, DONT want to do it nor will they have fun doing it /shrug

[Zari]

I probably won't. and quite honestly many of the people who will do it, DONT want to do it nor will they have fun doing it /shrug

I don't see why. It is completely optional content. You are NOT forced do get the anima weapon for any content. And no I do not mean "Oh you don't need it for MSQ." No I mean it is completely unnecessary to be able to do any other content. The only content it is at all "necessary" for you can get as good or better weapons within the progression of. If people do not want to do the relic questline they don't need to. They might not have fun doing it but if they do not want to do it then the only thing forcing them to do it is themselves

[Nicobo]

....For example, Why would I grind for a BLM Relic that has CRIT, DET, while there is a i210 with SPELL SPEED and DET... and another with SPELL SPEED and crit.

Seriously SE, Heavensward has been an absolute train wreck. I sincerely hope 3.2 is good because at this moment I'm done. There's no reason to continue my sub right now.

Sigh, after reading Yoshi said something means relic is for dummy, then I understand above is working as intended as he stated Relic was designed for dummies who have a lot of time and more time, also implied Relic would have more nerf otherwise the RAID(er) weapon will not good enough to make everyone enjoy Savage.^^;

[Odysseus84]

I would just like to point out a couple things...

I had to log in just for this. This is exactly my sentiment regarding this new quest line. Thank you for reminding me that not everyone on the internet is a raving, hate filled imbecile. Some actually look to logic ^.^

In my opinion, you can have either player driven, time based grinding or gil based, extremely expensive crafting, or a very small mix of both, when it comes to these types of quests. For whatever reason, SE decided to take both roads and not just take them, but pave them 4 times over with glass shards and hand grenades. I have no doubt that the needed grinding is a time-gate to keep people playing and thus paying for the game, but as it stands, this is a grind that really only punishes the loyal.

I feel that given the reward, only needing 10 of each of the first tokens and 1 of each of the crafted items would make much more sense and make the grind much more appealing.

[Nephisto]

I don't understand why someone grinds for the Relic if he does'nt like to grind. I don't like grinding, so I don't grind for the Relic. And I don't like raiding in hardcore endgame contents. So yes, I will not get a ilevel 210 weapon right now, because I don't REALLY need it. One day, in some patch, I will get a ilevel 210 weapon. So, what I am doing if I don't grind nor raid after I finished the MSQ? I cancel my sub, I'm playing another game and wait for the next patch, because for me, once you did all the MSQ and the new dungeons, there is nothing fun to do, except if you like grinding and raiding hardcore contents. In fact, FF14 is the game I'm playing when there is PS4 game hole, like right now. So I will play until the release of Dark Souls 3, doing the MQS of Heavensward in relaxing mode.

[Lambdafish]

I just want to point out that relic is not optional content. Now, this doesnt mean you have to do it, but by all accounts, in the current state of the game, relic is PROGRESSION content. With the vertical progression that the game has, the end goal is to get the BiS weapon, and for some jobs, that makes relic the main quest to undertake for best in slot. Sure, I don't have to do relic, I also dont have to do MSQ, I dont have to do alex savage, I dont have to grind for tombstones, I dont have to play the game at all, so at what point am I allowed to complain about anything in the game?

True optional content are the pieces of content that are fun but dont contribute to progression (see hildibrand, gold saucer, and postmoogle), and I'm allowed to complain about those too.

[Gumbercules]

yes im going to return to a game that blatantly sold an over hyped filler xpac to pad its wallet just because they are doing their own version of a relic weapon with the vanilla talent tree tacked on. >.>

[Polumetis]

I'd just as much see everyone calm down, SE gave us another option to continue progressing, and if you don't like it, go take on Alexander savage, all 4 floors, then complain how anima weps feel unfair to grind