SE GIVE US ANIMA FOR FREE (SARCASM)

[KeluBehemoth]

People don't want it for free.

I think most of us just want something akin to the first relic quest that actually required skill to complete, not just a mindless grind.

Titan HM was a serious content gate and FORCED people to "git gud". Its not like you had to clear T5.

People should be encouraged to play better and having to clear Ravana EX or Bismark/Thordan EX isn't that big of a deal.

Most players are more than capable of clearing this sort of content, many just don't care to learn the mechanics or their job.

Even having to run Coil 1-13 UNSYNC would be more interesting than grinding. Plus it would give new players an opportunity to experience the story since Coil runs are scarce in supply.

[Adormus]

People don't want it for free.

I think most of us just want something akin to the first relic quest that actually required skill to complete, not just a mindless grind.

Titan HM was a serious content gate and FORCED people to "git gud".

That's exactly what those people do not understand. It's not about the grind, but about the fact that there is _nothing_ besides the grind. Not even an entry trial like the Chimera for the 1. Relic. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could possibly defend this.

[KeluBehemoth]

That's exactly what those people do not understand. It's not about the grind, but about the fact that there is _nothing_ besides the grind. Not even an entry trial like the Chimera for the 1. Relic. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could possibly defend this.

Its because the same people who defend "People just want stuff handed to them" believe that grinding low level content for 200 hours is an achievement or feat of some sort.

Even running Coil 1-13 would be better. Its easier than current mid-core content, gives new players access to the story AND teaches people how to play their job because T9/13 is still a challenge unsync.

[WinterLuna]

Its because the same people who defend "People just want stuff handed to them" believe that grinding low level content for 200 hours is an achievement or feat of some sort.

Achievements are subjective, so yes, this is an achievement to some. Most of the people complaining have taken one look at the phases and decided "nope", come to the Forums to whine about it with no constructive feedback other than the one thread I've seen, and will probably go ahead with the relic anyway after threatening to unsub. I don't know why people think this is any more grindy than what they've been doing already.

Nobody is being forced to get the relic weapon and there are other weapons available. If you don't want to grind then simply don't.

[KeluBehemoth]

Achievements are subjective, so yes, this is an achievement to some. Most of the people complaining have taken one look at the phases and decided "nope", come to the Forums to whine about it with no constructive feedback other than the one thread I've seen, and will probably go ahead with the relic anyway after threatening to unsub. I don't know why people think this is any more grindy than what they've been doing already.

Nobody is being forced to get the relic weapon and there are other weapons available. If you don't want to grind then simply don't.

Nobody is being forced, you're right. But it is a RELIC WEAPON. Its a very important piece of content.

Achievements aren't entirely subjective. Grinding neither challenges your dexterity or intelligence. Whereas learning and clearing mid/high end content does. All that grinding does is challenge your commitment of spending hours upon hours doing content that requires no skill. That is not commendable in my views.

Some grind isn't a bad thing. Like grinding content that takes skill... as people do with raiding/primals/even alex normal.

There is a grind in the sense of you don't know what will drop or if you will even win the roll. But that is mitigated by increased chances of reward vs skill level.

[WinterLuna]

Nobody is being forced, you're right. But it is a RELIC WEAPON. Its a very important piece of content.

Achievements aren't entirely subjective. Grinding neither challenges your dexterity or intelligence. Whereas learning and clearing mid/high end content does.

To some it is a personal achievement. It doesn't matter what trait it challenges. Some people enjoy working towards a goal and the satisfaction of completing it.

Again, there are other weapons available and you're not going to be removed from a party for not having a relic weapon. I would understand if this was the only decent weapon available, but it isn't.

[riarro]

Achievements are subjective, so yes, this is an achievement to some. Most of the people complaining have taken one look at the phases and decided "nope", come to the Forums to whine about it with no constructive feedback other than the one thread I've seen, and will probably go ahead with the relic anyway after threatening to unsub. I don't know why people think this is any more grindy than what they've been doing already.

I agree with you. There's really not enough constructive criticism in all these threads popping up. If they really think there's something that bad then why not put out alternative ideas on the table. I, however, completely feel like Anima was a fair sort of response to old complaints about the former Zodiac quest, more recent complaints about having nothing to spend time on and those of Savage being too hard. The grind in this doesn't even seem too bad for that matter.[1/4]

[riarro]

Already I've heard the crystal drop rate is better than atma was post nerf, and the second step is unbelieveably simple considering you get an i200 weapon out of it. To be honest I probably would have switched the step order looking at the ilvl of the rewards for each, and had the step where you traded in your Zeta be the second one.

I think that the inclusion of options this time for the grind is pretty great. Beast tribe quests, Hunts, Alex normal, daily roulettes, old content for tomes... No matter what you're into there's some kind of thing for you. It would be nice if there had been something to make the current primals a bit more lively, or Coil, but I hope they have plans for something else regarding that later. Anima is also a time sink not too unlike the length of time it took to get through certain stages of Zodiac and whatnot.[2/4]

[riarro]

Anima is definitely a weapon geared more to the players who don't spend too much time raiding, focusing on the patience required for leveling other classes, or gathering, and the technical skill and time put into crafting. Those looking for something to fight for their relic could just go back to working on Savage for the Eso upgrade item or Gordian weapon if those achievements satisfy them. [3/4]

[Cwestcott18]

Its because the same people who defend "People just want stuff handed to them" believe that grinding low level content for 200 hours is an achievement or feat of some sort.

Even running Coil 1-13 would be better. Its easier than current mid-core content, gives new players access to the story AND teaches people how to play their job because T9/13 is still a challenge unsync.

If they are seriously at this point of the game and do not have no idea how to play their job even at 50% then I think they have bigger problems then worrying about playing all the new content, its not SE's fault that those who rush the content and do not take Opportunities to better themselves, and plus it's asking new players to run more content that is also optional.