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    Quote Originally Posted by Katniss_ View Post
    (or accurately 86 days). I think this step is horrible and far terrible.
    Actually, this is completely in line with how SE designs content. Things are meant to be done in multiples of 3: 3 days, 3 weeks, or 3 months. Stuff like relic/anima is always designed to take 3 months to complete so there's some kind of long-term goal for players to work towards, and the steps will be nerfed when the next phase of upgrades are patched in.

    Edit: It takes about three weeks to earn enough gated tokens to buy a new weapon, for example. It took about three months to grind all the stuff you needed to finish relic, zenith, atma, animus, and zodiac. Only the zeta step could be done in a few weeks, if you were exceedingly efficient at light grinding.

    Also, KaitlanKela, the relic weapon leapfrogged BIS with raid drops during 2.0's lifetime. I don't expect that to change going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fm_fenrir View Post
    Also, KaitlanKela, the relic weapon leapfrogged BIS with raid drops during 2.0's lifetime. I don't expect that to change going forward.
    That sounds good to me. I think there are two major concerns people are still having.
    1. It's not really BiS right now, since the stats are kinda screwy. I'm SCH and I'm thrilled about the crit instead of det, but I don't think the PLD and DRG are as happy. The specs need to be looked at....
    2. Is each step going to be equally as challenging and disinteresting? The subsequent quests to keep the weapon up to date will have to be fun or short or novel or ideally all three to make up for the initial investment. Any thoughts on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaitlanKela View Post
    That sounds good to me. I think there are two major concerns people are still having.
    1. It's not really BiS right now, since the stats are kinda screwy. I'm SCH and I'm thrilled about the crit instead of det, but I don't think the PLD and DRG are as happy. The specs need to be looked at....
    Relic zenith wasn't that great either, but once you got the ability to customize the stats with sphere scrolls/materia it became much better.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaitlanKela View Post
    2. Is each step going to be equally as challenging and disinteresting? The subsequent quests to keep the weapon up to date will have to be fun or short or novel or ideally all three to make up for the initial investment. Any thoughts on that?
    Actually, all the steps for building a zeta were tedious and gil-intensive, specifically to discourage people from blowing through it quickly and getting a free 125 or 135 weapon. It's about as much "effort" as grinding the equivalent raid tier for a drop, so you balance how much time you want to waste on doing lots of easy tasks versus time you want to waste doing fewer harder tasks.
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    #gitgud

    Ongoing mission: Tank everything on DRG. On purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fm_fenrir View Post
    Actually, all the steps for building a zeta were tedious and gil-intensive, specifically to discourage people from blowing through it quickly and getting a free 125 or 135 weapon. It's about as much "effort" as grinding the equivalent raid tier for a drop, so you balance how much time you want to waste on doing lots of easy tasks versus time you want to waste doing fewer harder tasks.
    Zeta had time and gil sinks in place to force a jump start on the crafting/desynth part of the game and the market as a whole. It's literally why they did it. It looks to be the same thing this time around because all of the necessary HQ turn-ins are specialist recipes made with mats from other specialist recipes.
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