you guys went overboard with this new relic

[Mature]

The atma and dungeons I enjoyed. The issue is in the colossal amount of items needed. I think the crafting bit is great cause encourage people to craft.

I think it took me about 2/3 weeks (14.days) to do all books for zodiac relic. Which it was a never ending BRAYFLOX HM RUNs FOR SOLDERIES. Who doesn't remember those days running bray hm for 1500 tomes PER BOOK. This makes Anima grind like a walk in the park.

[whiskeybravo]

What are you talking about it's over twice as many tomes lol. Wasn't there 9 books total?

On Balmung the prices for the relic HQ items were in the millions day one. Now they are like 500k or less barring Kingcakes.

EDIT: Kingcakes are now also lower than 500k.

That's still 8 million lol

I really don't want to be rude to SE, but it's extremelyyyyyyy hard to hold in these 7 letters

[Zojha]

I think the crafting bit is great cause encourage people to craft.

Why am I so totally not surprised a fully maxed crafter with three specializations that expresses his happiness about the lack of undercutting on these items in a thread on the DoH forums considers this state of affairs "great"?

[Lemuel81]

I'm getting my awoken and that's it. Maybe I'll get more awokens while I level classes (only fun I have in this game, seriously, why is my Xenoblade X taking so long to be delivered?), but more than that? Nah, you can have your relic, SQEX.

same thing for me- I will get my awokens but that is about as far as it goes for me right now. The reward for the work and time put into it, is not worth it. Gear in this game is bland and boring after all. Will just get my gobdip and be happy

[Mature]

Why am I so totally not surprised a fully maxed crafter with three specializations that expresses his happiness about the lack of undercutting on these items in a thread on the DoH forums considers this state of affairs "great"?

I make things for free for my fellow fc members and at the same time I still need to get the other items from other especialist people so encourage me to communicate with other people or setting up PF asking to exchange stuff . I think is great

And again if you haven't got a crafter level or specialists SURELY your fc will be willing to help.

[Centershock]

I make things for free for my fellow fc members and at the same time I still need to get the other items from other especialist people so encourage me to communicate with other people or setting up PF asking to exchange stuff . I think is great

And again if you haven't got a crafter level or specialists SURELY your fc will be willing to help.

You speak as if we are all in FC's.

No, the last part is ridiculous. And I thought the fetching of the crafted items for the Zodiac stage was ridiculous, this takes the cake.

Not only that, our customization of stats with the Novus stage is completely negated for those of us who are handing in a zeta weapon to skip the first stage. Really.

[Derio]

Even as a crafter its a bit much. The grind is way way way too much. My guess is that they dont have any new relic quest in 3.2 and will have a new step in 3.3 so that is probably why step 3 is so long to last for several months.

[SaitoHikari]

As a new-ish player that started playing in August, I am generally displeased, but not really about the whole grindiness of it (as I've come to understand that it used to be worse for the older relic weapons), but more from a 'missed opportunity' design standpoint.

For one, looking at the amount of unidentifiable items needed, it's pretty clear to me that most players will only get one awoken relic (if they even get one at all) by the time the next patch rolls around. That relic will probably go to the player's most favored class - though chances are, said player will already have a comparable weapon (Thordan or 210 Eso), and thus the only reason to get the relic now is to prepare for future steps. And there's no guarantee that upgraded future relics will even be worth any effort because who knows what other weapons will be released alongside it.

So, I would assume that getting a relic for alternate classes is currently out of the question. Depending on class and the player's current gear, getting a relic for their main class is only barely worth it or not worth it at all.

The other problem is that in terms of getting the unidentifiable items, the methods to get them are horrendously limited. Either massive dungeon/Alexander grind, camping for hunts, low drop rate from treasure maps, or using NEW beast tribe currency, of which you can only get 3 per day from each tribe while you need 18 to get 1 unidentifiable item (out of 20 each). The methods don't even involve content that are still largely dead, I'd say the only content it successfully resurrected was Lv. 50 dungeon roulette. I'm not sure exactly what is the problem here - either the limited ways to get them, or the sheer quantity of the items needed, but I'd say both together combine into something absolutely absurd. This also ties into how getting relic weapons for alt classes is kind of out of the question at the moment.

My suggestions:
- Drop the amount of unidentifiable items needed to 10-15 each

OR

Assuming unidentifiable items are to be kept at 20:
- Make PvP roulette give out poetics
- Additionally make PvP roulette give out one item per day that can be exchanged for an unidentifiable item
- Allow players to purchase one unidentifiable item per 15,000-20,000 grand company seals (I'm not even sure why this didn't happen, I cap GC seals like every 3 days and there's really nothing to spend them on these days besides cordials and airship mats for my FC. The GC system in general feels like it needs an update.)
- Allow gatherers to exchange 50 blue gathering tokens for one unidentifiable item (this is under the assumption that there are gatherers out there that already have all of the gathering tomes, and IIRC there's nothing else to spend them on after you have the tomes. I think there's like 9 total, and I can get 1 tome every 2 weeks while capping my red scrips in the meantime.)
- Allow Ixal oaknots to be traded in for unidentifiable items as well. Maybe 25 per item (although admittedly I forget how many you can get per day). Why create new exchanges for all the other beast tribes, but not use the old oaknots?
- Have Bismarck and Ravana EX give out an exchangable item for each run cleared with a player new to the instance
- Have Ultima EX give out an exchangeable item for each SYNCHED run cleared with a player new to the instance
- Have T5, 9, and 12 give out an exchangeable item for each SYNCHED run cleared with a player new to the instance

Those are just examples of what they could have done to further revitalize dead content and to allow new players to experience older abandoned content without having to ask bored players to carry them through, and people may even meet potential new raiders this way. In a way, some of this would even allow new players to work on step 3 of their relic ahead of time, outside of collecting poetics/allied seals. I didn't include Crystal Tower because I haven't done it myself yet and have absolutely no idea how that works, but something about that should be included in there too.

As for the crafting portion, I don't really have that much of a problem with that, although that's probably because the FC I'm in is planning on just crafting all of the mats between ourselves for free. Our FC's pretty small and we only have 4/8 specialist classes, and I'm working on getting two of the remaining four while other upcoming crafters in the FC are working on the last two. Then again, I have no idea how capped crafting works, and don't know exactly how much of a pain it could be. *shrugs*

Either way, I did feel compelled enough to venture onto the forums and talk about this in the hopes that the developers actually take input from the English side of the community seriously.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

^ See? Even the newer players get it too.

[Lemuel81]

^ See? Even the newer players get it too.

real question is, how come SE don't get it