Thread: Constructive feed back of Relic 3.15 Thus far.

Originally Posted by Kenji1134

and a number of HQ specialist only recipe items... Which I PRAY (but sadly know wont be the case) will not require a number of melded 170 or 180 Red Scrip items to HQ.

I just want to give info about this particular thing, I can craft 2 star 60 stuff with fully melded "white" items, HQ of course, just wanting to say that cause 170-180 stuff is a little overkill unless you're just trying to macro everything. Oh and the items in question are only 1 star 60 items, albeit locked behind specialist and master books.

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

The (lack of) story behind these weapons bother me, when it, quite literally, invalidates what you have done with a zeta weapon and it's (already shallow) legend.

Most of the steps has you revisiting 2.0 content rather than new content, and because of the unsync option, it does't necessarily "breathe" life into the queues either when people can just usnync it.

And as a MCH, I find it incredibly hard to justify doing this (even in "preparation" for the next relic step" because not only is the finished weapon a very small upgrade, its arguably a downgrade from my thordan weapon, especially in the current perspective in the game that I really feel I can't be bothered to go beyond dailies and raid logging.

There is story, just no big fights. Having said that I found the story somewhat confusing. If we are trying to create a self aware weapon, wasn't our Zeta already self aware?

If your a MCH you might be better off just leaving it. The questline will almost certainly be nerfed later like the 2.x relic lines were and certainly the crafted stuff you need will very likely be a lot cheaper by then.

Originally Posted by darkendfaith

I just want to give info about this particular thing, I can craft 2 star 60 stuff with fully melded "white" items, HQ of course, just wanting to say that cause 170-180 stuff is a little overkill unless you're just trying to macro everything.

Yeah the crafted stuff is quite feasible without Red Scrip gear though you do need melding. It does mean working with other crafters though since you cant specialise in everything.

On the upside the materials for the crafted items are all actually pretty easy to get and most of them are also pretty easy to get HQ so you can generally afford a few failed attempts at HQ without it being too costly.

I wanted to do new thread about something similar, so to avoid even more relic thread clutter, I'll put it into this thread. Here are some things about the relic a lot of people seem to miss or willingly ignore:

No Job Lock

You are not locked into doing any of the stuff in the relic quest with the job you're trying to get the relic for - you can do them with any job you want, including the initial FATE farming if you don't happen to have a Zeta (or are unwilling to turn it in). I'm currently happily leveling my Bard with FATEs - something I would have done anyway - while getting those crystals for my White Mage's relic.

It's a long term goal

The relic is not something you are supposed to grind out in three days. You probably can - and I'm sure we'll see the first completed 210 relics before next week - but that's not how they are supposed to be done. They are a goal you can work on a bit every day, and quite likely get before the next patch hits with barely any additional work, which gets me to the next point:

Synergy with Stuff You Already Do™

There's at least 3 different ways to get every one of those items for the third step (crafting excluded), which can be mixed and matched at your leisure, and, again, can be done with any job you want to. These are:

- running floors in Alexander normal, with 10 floors for one item
- paying 680 tomestones of either law (Ore, Seeds) or poetics (Shell, Bone)
- paying 1000 allied seals (Bone, Seeds)
- doing beast tribe dailies (13 tokens/item, item type depends on beast tribe)
- doing HW treasure maps (Shell, Ore, not 100%)

If you do some of the daily roulettes anyway, participate in the occasional hunt, and maybe even do some beast tribe dailies, you should average out to at least one item per day. These are mostly things most players do anyway, and again, you can do them with any job you want (I can't stress this enough), so you're looking at a little over 2 months to get your relic without doing anything you probably wouldn't normally do anyway. Any extra grinding (like running Alex a few times every day) is simply speeding up the process.

It's giving people what they asked for

Seriously, the relic is what you were asking for, though probably not the answer you expected. You wanted content that's not outdated after two weeks. You complained about the HW areas being next to dead. You wanted ways to revive old content. You wanted raid tier weapons without actually having to raid. There you have it: the relic is all of this - if you don't grind it out in a week while complaining about said grind which you are almost entirely forcing upon yourself.

I'm sometimes wondering whether the playerbase actually even knows what they want (or are unable to properly communicate it), because every time SE releases something people have been asking for, all I hear is whining about how it's not what they asked for (see also: Diadem, LoVe).

In conclusion

There's certainly stuff you can criticize about the relic, the stat choices for some jobs being one of them. It's also true that it's not very innovative, but then again, not everyone has played since 2.0 (myself included, I've started in 2.5). I also agree that it would have been a lot better to have new content like the trials for the original relic to go with the new one. It's certainly not a pinnacle of good game design, but it's by far not as bad as many here make it out to be, either.

Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

No Job Lock

You are not locked into doing any of the stuff in the relic quest with the job you're trying to get the relic for - you can do them with any job you want, including the initial FATE farming if you don't happen to have a Zeta (or are unwilling to turn it in). I'm currently happily leveling my Bard with FATEs - something I would have done anyway - while getting those crystals for my White Mage's relic.

Err, this part is actually not true. The 2nd phase of the quest ("Toughening Up," 10 dungeons) requires that you be on the job of the relic you're working on, as you must have the weapon equipped when you exit.

Originally Posted by Kanemano

Err, this part is actually not true. The 2nd phase of the quest ("Toughening Up," 10 dungeons) requires that you be on the job of the relic you're working on, as you must have the weapon equipped when you exit.

I stand corrected. Still, that's probably the shortest part of the entire process anyway (unless you skip part 1 or have serious luck with the drops), so eh. Plus you can do most of it unsync.