Thread: Constructive feed back of Relic 3.15 Thus far.

For those not wanting to be spoiled i would suggest to stop reading here,

I will be updating this as i progress through the quest line with my thoughts on how the quest line holds up.

So first a run down of the steps thus far,

Phase one, Atma version 2. Same concept of atma, but requiring 3 atma equivalents in each of the 6 zones, totaling 18 items needed. (skip able by handing a completed Zeta weapon over)

Phase two, Complete dungeons with your weapon equiped.

Snowcloak
Sastasha (hard)
Sunken temple (hard)
Keeper of the Lake
Wanders Palace(hard)
Ampador Keep(hard)
Dusk Vigil
Sohm Al
The Aery
The Vault

Step Three,
Gain the following items via an npc via obtaining other items in exchange for said items by various means.

Enchanted Rubber
Fast-Drying Carboncoat
Divine Water
Fast-Acting Allagan Catalyst

-I Am Here!-

Thoughts after each phase.

Phase 1: To be honest i didnt mind the concept of recycled content, keeps the old content alive for newer plays etc, HOWEVER. i didnt expect the very first step to a brand new quest line after what we experienced with the first relic, to be such a let down. Hands on straight to a grind of current content. nothing new, at all. We are introduced to an old friend (albeit humorous) and another character we have been told barely anything about. the end result of all this hard work is the eso weapon with a worse stats and level. completely copied from current content. in all honesty I was very underwhelmed. There was nothing exciting and new. at all. Not a good start!

Phase 2: After completing phase 2 I was pleasantly surprised, the story gave much more than what i was expecting and perked my interest greatly, this step itself (although took me ages as a dps on launch day) really wasn't so bad, bland. but ultimately not very time consuming. The reward for all this was a nice shiney glow to our glamour copy of a "relic" but was something new none the less. so all in all quite happy with this step.

Phase 3: Underway!

Phase 4:

Phase 5:

Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

I'm just worried about the third step. The part that requires you to trade items obtained from beast tribe, dungeons, and crafting.

It's going to blow

Last step is 800 or so alex runs without the tombstones factored in.

So, here is my question to the dev team.

The relic is claimed to be a means for "casual" players who do not have a sufficiently rigid schedule to form statics and tackle raid content (ignoring the very high difficulty of A3S and A4S which gates us from 210 weapons and has an abysmal clear rate), to obtain a weapon comparable to endgame raid weapons by investing a larger amount of time as opposed to tackling top end content.

Just looking at the final step, some people have calculated that if you were to grind Alex for the drops and spend the Law obtained from Alex, it would require about 640 runs.
At 20 minutes per run including wait time, that comes out to 213 hours. If someone can play an average of 5 hours per day, lets say after work, and does nothing but Alex for these items, it would take them about 42 days.

Lets say we use our Zetas to skip Atma 3.0 (now requiring 18 drops instead of 12!), we then need to clear a number of old dungeons for a random drop item, get 80 mats available from tomes and Alex tokens, and a number of HQ specialist only recipe items... Which I PRAY (but sadly know wont be the case) will not require a number of melded 170 or 180 Red Scrip items to HQ.

Again, 5 hours per day, which is really not "casual" from a time perspective. How long do you intend for this to take? 60 days? 90 days? We expect 3.3 around early Feb, some 45-50 days out, which will bring new tomes. 3 weeks of those (bringing our total to 66-71) and we can buy the new tome weapon, I hope. So is the intent for the relic to REALLY be doable within ~60 days of "casual" play?

60 days is a long time, a long time to grind, but if the quest is SO long, rng gated, and grindy, that it takes people until the next weapon becomes available to complete it, then you guys just created dead content.
Seriously, we've seen all of this before, this is a compressed version of Atma, Zodiac, and Zeta, nothing new here, just a chance for the new players to experience the 2.0 relic grind in a compressed form. The thing is, because we have seen all of this before, we have a sense of how long this takes, so SE, unless you can confirm that this IS reasonably doable BEFORE it becomes outdated, then nobody in their right mind will bother with this "content".

Originally Posted by Kenji1134

and a number of HQ specialist only recipe items... Which I PRAY (but sadly know wont be the case) will not require a number of melded 170 or 180 Red Scrip items to HQ.

I just want to give info about this particular thing, I can craft 2 star 60 stuff with fully melded "white" items, HQ of course, just wanting to say that cause 170-180 stuff is a little overkill unless you're just trying to macro everything. Oh and the items in question are only 1 star 60 items, albeit locked behind specialist and master books.