Primal Dalamud?

[Enkidoh]

Pardon me, but didn't Ysayle prove that a cult of similar numbers can summon a primal?

Technically she didn't form the heretics though in so much as just came in and gave them a leader to get behind, as it appears the heretics have been around since... well, since Ishgard's founding. Also Shiva was

created from Ysayle's own misguided beliefs and desires based on the few snippets of Hraesvelgr's memory of the real Shiva she glimpsed through the Echo - all she had to do was then use the heretics' hatred for Ishgard and how Shiva was reviled by the Church of Halone.

Incidentally, we don't actually know how Ysayle came into the knowledge of summoning - but Ascian influence is the most likely cause.

[Morningstar1337]

Technically she didn't form the heretics though in so much as just came in and gave them a leader to get behind, as it appears the heretics have been around since... well, since Ishgard's founding. Also Shiva was

created from Ysayle's own misguided beliefs and desires based on the few snippets of Hraesvelgr's memory of the real Shiva she glimpsed through the Echo - all she had to do was then use the heretics' hatred for Ishgard and how Shiva was reviled by the Church of Halone.

I see. My point is that a cult is enough to summon a Primal. Ergo if the Lambs wanted to and knew how, they could create a massive ritual of blood and crystals to bring forth Dalamud/Bahamut. But the question remains, would the Voidsent gain anything from this, are would primal metaphysics render them fighting over the summon primal for aether to sustain on?

Also regarding the "they would just see Ascians as yet another voidsent to bargain with/try to control" ,I think if they crossed paths, they might try to use that to advantage. It could be something as simple as the usual paragon act ("I can grant you salvation/the menas to bring forth your deity") or do to them what Thordian did to Lahabrea.

[Wolfandre]

snip

You bring up good points, and I'll admit that my arguments aren't very strong. They just seem to make the most sense to me.

As for Ysale...

Don't forget that Ysale cheated, as well. She has the Echo and a Crystal of Light, both of which are, as of right now, MacGuffin plot points with seemingly unknown/endless/undisputed power factors. We can't exactly use her superimposing an aether-infused image of Shiva over herself as the standard for the methodology of summoning primals.