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    Odett Telos
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    In a topic about dealing with lazy damage dealers not doing their job, the answer is not to criticize good tanks and healers for not doing more. All that does is excuse crap damage dealers and alienate even more healers and tanks which is not exactly something we need to be doing.
    I definitely agree with you that a lazy DPS should be addressed first and foremost instead of looking at how much damage a healer or tank are doing if a run is going incredibly slow or if a dps check is not being met.

    At the same time, however, you said "not criticize a good tank or healer for doing more", and well, a tank or healer that just performs their basic duties doesn't exactly make them "good", you know? Like, I could spam flash on PLD, or go DRK or WAR and face a single target and spam my Power Slash combo (DRK agro combo) or Butcher's Block combo, but there is so much more that I can do. Yeah, this is a trinity-based game, but I think that all of us really need to look outside the box we're placing ourselves into and branch out. Like someone else said in this post, personally, I don't see my job in a run as "just DPS", or "just heal", or "just keep enmity and use my cooldowns"; my job is to help my group as hard as I can. If you don't want to be the very best in content that doesn't require you to do so, that's cool, but we have to stop this whole "this is my role and I'm gonna do the least that is required of me".

    There used to be a lot of threads where BRD's would say "I am DPS job so I do not need to support. If I decide to sing, that's a luxury", and the same goes for all the other jobs in this game. SMN's have battle res, you won't refuse to use it just because you're not "healer role". NIN's have a TON of utility now, being able to Shadewalker a tank before a pull, goading someone after they get under 60% TP (which is no excuse now that TP bars are visible), using Smoke Screen on a WAR OT when they go HAM in their starting triple fell cleave burst, or using it on a healer right before a demanding ad phase. Heavensward has given the jobs we play a LOT of new skills that let us become more flexible as players and branch out beyond our stated roles. For example, I can use my DPS stance as WAR when I use Bloodbath and Berserk and get more HP back, giving myself more self-sustain AND increasing my group's DPS. I can keep using my Souleater combo as DRK to get HP back every third combo and help out my healer more and also do more DPS. What I'm trying to get at is that doing the minimum you can is really silly when you look at the number of skills you have now and refuse to incorporate them to help your group.

    As for healers, it really depends. I've had horrible, horrible tanks that require me to babysit them because they are literally made out of tracing paper, so yeah, there will be times when you can't DPS , but having a good tank and just standing there not doing anything is just plain lazy and there's no excuse for that.
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    Last edited by Odett; 12-16-2015 at 04:19 AM.