Pretending to dps in dungeons, is this a new fad?

[Terribad]

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A lot of people in this game just simply aren't skilled enough for that. A lot of players have never played an mmo before this one and them catching on seems to be hard for most players here for whatever reason. I used to be like you when I tanked, I would just sit there and watch the healer dance and run in circles. I'd ask if they could help out, they do, we die.

[Kaurie]

I know that, what I was getting at is that the only time I've seen truly valid points about healers and tanks *needing* to increase their damage output is in Alex Savage discussions.

As I've tried to make clear to Odette as well, I am not saying that healers should not do any damage, I'm saying that we should not be placing that expectation on them.

Yes, I agree and think we mostly see eye to eye on that overall situation. I was merely defending my posts against the other person. I do not think there is anything wrong with discussing how choosing not to DPS as a healer makes you a worse player. It does, because you're contributing less to the team. It doesn't mean you HAVE to do it, and I won't even ask you to do it, it just means you don't play as well

As for expectations, it depends on how you mean. In duty finder, my expectations are rather low. I'm expecting that I will be doing 50-70% of the over all damage of the dungeon, and that the healer will not be helping and the tank will not be pulling lots of mobs. However, if we're talking about what we expect of good players, or would like of players then I do expect it.

If by "incredibly easy" you mean the same as a DPS class parsing 1k+ in said dungeons, then I agree.

Well, that is pretty easy too, but I'd say DPSing as a healer is a lot easier than getting 1k parses in dungeons. I mean it kind of depends if you include AoE in that number, are you talking about overall or just boss encounters etc.

[Roll]

I know healer's don't have to DPS but at least throw a few dots and/or nukes even if you're too afraid of going into Cleric's Stance instead of standing there for 10 seconds with full MP.

[Eothas]

Well, that is pretty easy too, but I'd say DPSing as a healer is a lot easier than getting 1k parses in dungeons. I mean it kind of depends if you include AoE in that number, are you talking about overall or just boss encounters etc.

In the first boss of Arboretum I do around 600 DPS as a healer (i203) with a half decent tank, as a Ninja I could do 1k (i190), and to me the ninja is way easier and with less things to take care at the same time.

[raela]

Most healers dps is a fraction of the tanks/dps.

I usually run content with a friend that runs a parser for curiosity's sake (not to shame anyone - more to gauge himself). My SCH DPS very regularly beats out DF DPS, in content like ex roulette and Alex NM/void.

If a healer isn't comfortable stance dancing, then they might as well stick to heals. But I'll throw out some savage side eyes when they auto follow the tank / dance / just,p circles around the party when they only need to heal once every 10 seconds or less.

[Greedalox]

Like I said, don't bother with people who minimize their class to a portion of what it's capable of in a team game and defend themselves with the proclamation of "fun". If your idea of fun is to not better yourself as a player of your class, then by all means claim that you were never expected to toss out a damage spell as you spent the first 60 levels of your class doing just that. But hey, at least you were able to go to the fridge and grab a glass of water while your Regen held the tank up.

Edit: This comes to mind

[Riki_Namu]

I usually run content with a friend that runs a parser for curiosity's sake (not to shame anyone - more to gauge himself). My SCH DPS very regularly beats out DF DPS, in content like ex roulette and Alex NM/void.

If a healer isn't comfortable stance dancing, then they might as well stick to heals. But I'll throw out some savage side eyes when they auto follow the tank / dance / just,p circles around the party when they only need to heal once every 10 seconds or less.

Not single target it doesn't sure maybe if its a group of 5 mobs and you aoe your dots but beyond that no you aren't out parsing them.... unless they are horrible. A geared dps will pull 1k to 1.2k single target.

[Odett]

Not single target it doesn't sure maybe if its a group of 5 mobs and you aoe your dots but beyond that no you aren't out parsing them.... unless they are horrible. A geared dps will pull 1k to 1.2k single target.

My friend parses out of curiosity and her SCH outparses many DPSers in boss fights in expert roulette. You'd be surprised at the number of DPS players with insanely high ivl who haven't the slightest clue what they're doing

[Kosmos992k]

can't quote you entirely due to post limit.

I'm mostly agreeing with you, so perhaps I should have been clearer, I was not personally addressing you when I said "I will perform my minimum role", but players that think like that.

Thanks for this, I though we agreed on a lot of the points in this topic. I just wanted to be really clear because it's easy with just text on a forum to get badly tangled over meaning and interpretation of words. I definitely do not want to argue when I know we broadly speaking agree here.

Your point about the status impact of certain attacks is well made, that's why I will still Flash later in a fight unless the target(s) is immune to blind, and shield swipe is nice while pacification is worthwhile, Spirits to silence, and so on. Those status effects are something I wish more people paid attention to instead of just spamming away blindly. Holy is awesome for it's stun. I agree, that the quicker things die, the less time I have to get hit in the face and less time for the healer to keep me from dying.

Like you are saying though it's not just about that raw damage, the impact of the various status effects can make a huge difference not only to the amount of damage something can do to the party, but also how much damage the party can inflict.

[Kosmos992k]

I know that, what I was getting at is that the only time I've seen truly valid points about healers and tanks *needing* to increase their damage output is in Alex Savage discussions.

Who said that a healer *needs* to DPS? Just curious, I did not see it.

As I said, not in this topic.