Thread: The game is more dead than it was pre-3.1

Originally Posted by Miscreant

But everything in this game feels so watered down now, the Dungeons are gated so you can't speed run them any more, Bismark wasn't even a good design in the first place, Ravana got out-geared so fast (the Primals used to have a much longer life span than this), Thordan was a step in the right direction (yeah one aspect of all of 3.1 that I enjoyed, one primal since 3.0 that I enjoyed) the 24 man raid is so basic I can't even write drinking game rules for it (there aren't enough mechanics to mess up) Weren't we meant to explore the Diadem? We just stand there and kill bland mobs with big hp bars, the games lost any real challenge outside of Savage and outside of A3S that challenge isn't even fun. This was a game I used to live by, now I'm debating about wether I should throw in the towel once I've finished up this raid, this game doesn't feel like it's going anywhere fast and the time investment to be raid ready (capping every week etc) just doesn't seem worth the reward anymore.

Aye. Even has a newer player, I find the game increasingly easier. And I am by no means a veteran with either my jobs. Unfortunately, this is almost becoming an industry trend. When I hung around BioWare's forums, people complained fairly often about how easy Mass Effect 3 was. Companies seem afraid to actually challenge their player base. While I appreciate their rationale, what they fail to realize in turn is eventually those casual players will improve. Sure, some will stubbornly cling to their broken 'rotations', but as others seek to better themselves, they pull further away from the difficulty threshold. The devs need to establish a midcore, even if only through recycling content as I mentioned previously.

Personally, I really want a trial run where we have to fight Garuda, Titan and Ifrit all at once. Not sure how to properly balance it, but the sheer potential of mechanics at play would make it last even long after people have beaten it. Of course, only if they actually hard. Thordan EX should be the benchmark for midcore content going forward. Release easier variations for story/those who aren't interested in raiding. The rest of us can enjoy a challenge that isn't quite A3S's grind.

Originally Posted by Mature

The game provides you with a lot of content. If you decide not to do certain aspects of it , it's their your choice and not the games fault.

Would you offer this excuse if FFVII Remake came out padded to the hilt with mini-games, boring dungeon grinds and other 'features' all designed so they could justify splitting it into multiple discs? Take Dragon Age: Origins. The vast majority of its fanbase utterly despises Deep roads due to its boring design and sheer length (you'll be there for 5+ hours on higher difficulties.) So much so, modders removed it from the game entirely.

You can shove hundreds of hours worth of 'content' into a game. If no one likes it, then all you've accomplished is wasting your time. And that is the game's fault.

Originally Posted by Zojha

So, let's brainstorm: Fun content.
Content that has replayability beyond any possibly offered rewards, because it offers the intrinsic reward of enjoyment.

Any ideas?

few exemple from FF11

savage :
if i recal properly, it was a group of instance, where a group of players entered naked (youlooo),
and had to kill mob with bare hand, to get potion that allowed them to fit back theire equipement

besiege

well beastmen raid the city to recover some artefact (in our case we have ishgard and dragon, could do something right ?)
every player come into a HUGE battle (huge like HUGE !! maybe 300 players or even more !,
i do remember that the number of ppl was so high during besiege that i couldnt even see half of them !)

dynamis

best raid ever for those who know bout this

i do remember in ath urghan expansion,
there was a kind of monster arena, you go outside capture the soul of a monster,
then fight other player ( monster) in an arena, and actually win reward when you win !


here is some idea, that would be completly different to what we have now, but i can guess already, why most of those "raid" wont come

Originally Posted by Renault

I really hope this week will bring a fun, interesting relic quest to spark interest back into the game for myself and my friends, but the history of it's nature doesn't give me much hope.

That is what I'm waiting for. It was kind of hard in 3.0 to say goodbye to your previous relics. I mean you did a lot of work but in the end had to grab a crafter to make you a new one. But I guess the point of being able to glamour is to feel like you've kept your weapon of choice. When you compare handing a crafter a mythrite ore vs walking out of a dungeon with the head of a hydra..

I agree though things seem a lot more died down than they did before. Maybe I'm crazy but I think it's a mixture of content being released too fast, the content being released is hard in the wrong way, and the progression makes anything else obsolete. I remember when alexander came out, I walked out of a server room after working and was told that it's already been completed.

I think also what makes people sort of slack off and walk away is that after you beat the story and get some gear there's no incentive to stay. You know in a few months or maybe weeks that there's going to be a jump in iLV so get where you can be comfortable and come back later. I realize now what makes me jump from job to job. Besides the absolute beauty of this game, I don't have a huge love for any of these jobs. They're fun to play the gear looks great but if I am busy, I don't feel bad if I get behind a bit and then a new patch comes out. Because all that older stuff is now right there for me

I took a break after finishing the 3.0 story, and that seems to have been the right call. Namely I was able to rest and when I came back, really enjoy the content that is out there. The issue with only two dungons in the level 60 roulette and expert roulette gets old fast, to the point I only run the expert to get caught up on my Esos.

I'm enjoying the game as I get caught up on a lot of the content I took a break from, but I understand where people are coming from. I'm really looking forward to 3.2 to really drive this game forward. Thankfully it's not that far off, and getting back to a 3 month cycle for patches is going to help keep players engaged.

Originally Posted by Alexftw

Another major issue with savage is the weekly cap.

My friends don't go without their static because they'd get less chests if they clear and the rest of their static would be angry and vice versa. This causes people to only practice with their own static <...<. Look at thordan. Sure its a lot easier than a3s, but way harder than a2/a1s and even so due to no weekly cap people actually farm it all the time with randoms.

This is true. The static I'm isn't interested in even starting alex savage without being 8/8 to make sure we aren't having communication issues. And parties these days seem to demand knowing a1s and a2s front to back...making a2s difficult to learn.

Void ark is sleep inducing. Honestly the real mechanic is fighting the sandman while dealing with these bosses.

Diadem, I like the premise, but the meta made it into something less fun. That and alliances were sabotaged.

3.1 just, slowly displeased people, in almost every aspect.