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    fm_fenrir's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    probably also had a lot to do with how hate theft from War MT's was such a big issue in the 2.x days...
    This is 100% why PLD's enmity on Halone hasn't been changed (yet). Even in SwO, Halone will tear right off a Defiance/Grit MT in 50 cap content.

    Also yes, FOF is the best offensive skill in the game; any DPS would punch a nursery full of babies to get a 33% uptime, +30% damage skill with no penalties.
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    #gitgud

    Ongoing mission: Tank everything on DRG. On purpose.

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    Player Brian_'s Avatar
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    Graylle Celestia
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    Quote Originally Posted by fm_fenrir View Post
    This is 100% why PLD's enmity on Halone hasn't been changed (yet). Even in SwO, Halone will tear right off a Defiance/Grit MT in 50 cap content.

    Also yes, FOF is the best offensive skill in the game; any DPS would punch a nursery full of babies to get a 33% uptime, +30% damage skill with no penalties.
    Maybe if they're god awful at tanking and you severely out-gear them.

    The only time the enmity on Halone is ever an issue is when you are WAR / DRK MT without Defiance / Grit in synced 50 content. Why you would have the PLD OT in that situation fails the test of basic logic, though.
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    Last edited by Brian_; 12-16-2015 at 03:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    Maybe if they're god awful at tanking and you severely out-gear them. The only time the enmity on Halone is ever an issue is when you are WAR / DRK MT without Defiance / Grit in synced 50 content.
    This is actually not true. It may not be the case now, but I can tell you from first hand experience that before 3.0 I was stealing hate off of War MT's all the time while in SwO, even at equal level. By the time I was full geared at 130 I had to resort to rotating Riot Blade in between my primary combo just to make sure I didn't steal aggro from other Tanks, and even then I would be red-lining my enmity if the War was slipping up even a little. If Drk's were around back then they might have had it different, but they weren't around back then so it's hard to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    Why you would have the PLD OT in that situation fails the test of basic logic, though.
    Truly illogical, and it basically boiled down to envy.

    War's had the big stick and all the Dps, so they felt that they had to MT to display their dominance, especially in the cesspool that was CT/ST/WoD... Alright, I'm picking on War's a bit. When it came to the Crystal Tower Raids, everybody wanted to be the star of the show in there (Pld's and War's both), and there would be an inevitable tug-o-war between two of the tanks trying prove they had the bigger manhood. It got so bad that I just started Que-ing in SwO just to try to avoid the other two Tanks... only to end up tanking every single boss anyway because I was exceeding everyone's enmity despite being in SwO. It was a pretty frequent occurrence and lead to me utterly hating those Raids because of it's toxic Tank environment.

    As for other raids, there are some that required Tank swaps (like T6, for example). Pld could not be tanking the whole time, and it was a pain in the butt to try to nerf your own enmity so that the War didn't lose hate when it was their turn.
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    Last edited by Februs; 12-16-2015 at 08:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    This is actually not true. It may not be the case now, but I can tell you from first hand experience that before 3.0 I was stealing hate off of War MT's all the time while in SwO, even at equal level.
    Paladin OT DPS is actually good, only few people are complaining bout that, actually the MT DPS is the problem from what I see.
    Anyway, now I think you have a reason to lvl a PLD, those relic sword and shield though...
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