Is it pointless to lvl Paladin?

[whiskeybravo]

This is a common misconception on Pld. Firstly, their OT Dps is not actually all that much lower from Drks (it is, but only by a tiny amount that should not really effect Dps checks). Secondly, In mob pulls you do have to rotate targets, certainly, but you absolutely should not be spamming Flash.

Prior to shield oath you do have to spam flash quite a bit. I got Qarn NM last night in leveling roulette and I could barely keep hate even off the scholar. I think that's what he was referring to, perhaps.

[Riki_Namu]

Prior to shield oath you do have to spam flash quite a bit. I got Qarn NM last night in leveling roulette and I could barely keep hate even off the scholar. I think that's what he was referring to, perhaps.

Pretty much, everything before oath is a straight up struggle 3 flashes min against any sort of decent dps.... on my DRK one unleash and I have hate all day long even when not in tank stance. I can rip threat off a PLD without provoke also in full sized partys with a standard rotation, both in tank stance. So ya, theres that. My main reason for not leveling one.

[Februs]

Prior to shield oath you do have to spam flash quite a bit. I got Qarn NM last night in leveling roulette and I could barely keep hate even off the scholar. I think that's what he was referring to, perhaps.

Oh ... well then yes. If we're talking pre-ShO then you'd be spamming flash like it's going out of style, but Post-ShO is a different story. Once you get your Pld to 50 there is no excuse for a Flash spam... except maybe Speed runs in which AoE dmg is far exceeding your skill speed (thereby exceeding your ability to split enmity).

I can rip threat off a PLD without provoke also in full sized partys with a standard rotation, both in tank stance. So ya, theres that. My main reason for not leveling one.

I still find this a little odd though.

At lvl 50, with ShO it should be pretty damn hard to take threat from a Pld without voke. Before 3.0 came out I could actually steal threat from War MT's while in SwO, and it wasn't just me. It was a common problem caused by the fact that Pld's only rotation was an enmity rotation. Added attack potency from dropping ShO caused all kinds of problems in Raids and Full party situations. It's one of the theories for why SE has yet to adjust Pld's threat multiplier on their RoH combo. Post-50 they need the extra threat and it would level the playing field against Drks and Wars, but Pre-50, it would make their threat overpowered compared to other Tanks, because the only combo they have to rotate before lvl 50 is RoH, which generates threat. I imagine this little problem gets thrown around meeting tables at SE HQ whenever they discuss fixing the Pld job (if they ever discuss it, that is).