[Suggestion] My thoughts on Summoner

[Sidra]

Personally, I like the current form of Summoner and would not be a fan of sweeping changes. One thing to consider is that aside from the Summons and their skills, a SMN in this game has a full kit of non summoning skills which is different than in FFXI where it really had nothing that wasn't attached to a summon. If we start adding a bunch of new summons with a bunch of situationally useful skills, we will have a serious lack of buttons problem. It's already super tight. I really enjoy the current situation where the summon is there and helps us dps, but for the most part our concentration during battle is focused on our own damage rotations while our egi is mostly self sufficient and there to support and help us. It works really well.

[zcrash970]

Even if SMN had more summons with various effects, no one would bring them because of the loss of DPS and its not just because of the dps race in endgame atm. It's because the ultility is completely unneeded and other classes bring it to the table.
SCH/AST brings way more than enough party mitigation especially with a PLD/WAR and MNK/DRK/MCH just adds to it.
BRDs can raise magic attacks and MCH/NIN adds to everyone's damage
MNKs can also increase healing potency
DRGs can raise party crit rate and raise BRD/MCH dmg

It seems you also want to give SMN more aoe dmg than it has now which utterly ridiculous seeing how we have the best aoe in the game
Also if they added the elemental wheel back, they would have to completely rework BLM along with your SMN rework

Now if they did remake SMN into this great support class with good dps, why would you bring a BLM? There would be no trade off unless they super buff BLM and if they did melees would lose their advantage.

I get that you want SMN want to be center around our summons but XIV isn't design to be that way. Usually with the effects that are asking for is usually accompany by long cast times or high mp costs or both. We would just become a liability at that point. Making SMN into what you want would just more problems

[Rivxkobe]

it would require the elemental wheel to be added back. The elemental wheel would further cause each summon to become more or less useful from fight to fight, and it would add back in the option for them to have a boss which switches elemental resistances.

RIP in peace Blackmages.

[Dyvid]

Sorry but removing a pet from a pet class isn't the answer.

[MagiusNecros]

Sorry but removing a pet from a pet class isn't the answer.

Right. Especially since HW gave us more skills to use for our Pets right. And aren't only used for their auto attacks and maybe extend our DoTs every now and then.

[Exodus-E]

Right. Especially since HW gave us more skills to use for our Pets right. And aren't only used for their auto attacks and maybe extend our DoTs every now and then.

Pets still contribute with a significant amount of DPS for SMNs (especially when Rouse'd/Spur'd).
Thus, even if we didn't get any pet-related skills for HW, the pets themselves are still relevant.

Also, they have more functions than that (e.g. Ifrit-Egi's Radiant Shield or Garuda-Egi's Aerial Slash); it's just that you need to know when to use them.

[FeliAiko]

If you're only using the Pet for auto attacks and extending DoTs, then the problem is you, not the class.

[Sarynth]

Smn as is is fine and actually quite fun to play. However after the addition to dreadwyrm trance it would be neat to see egi's scrapped in favor of trance s that allow the smn to use the current pet abilities. That said we're only level 60 so adding all these summons now would make little sense now as we need spells to cover 61-99.

[darzok]

The problem is SMN is not a SMN its a more a Necromancer its a dot based damage class and should just be renamed and then add SMN at a later date as a whole new class.

There is no fixing SMN with out doing a full on rework of the base class and that means fully reworking SCH as well it would be best to just change SMN to Envoker close enough that you would need only change a few lines of text in game and carby would still be fit in with the Envoker.

The best way to fix SMN is to just make it a whole new class and have it be added like DRK/Astro/Mch.

[SnugglesD]

You could have just bumped one of the threads that pop up every single week on this exact topic. You're just beating the proverbial dead horse at this point.

SMN isn't going to change any time soon. You're not going to get giant LB style summon nukes, they're not going to upset the balance of the entire game to bring back the elemental wheel just to make you happy.

What most of the SMN QQ threads want is something that could never be balanced in an MMO. You won't have your single player summoner in FFXIV.

"But we had it in XI!" XI was also one of the least balanced games in MMO history.

Just stop already.