Quick question to all dps people in regards to dps in general

[MrCookTM]

Well, we are just going to have to agree to disagree I guess lol. I can't consider someone who doesn't have drops from content (or beyond) being overgeared for said content. You don't just go from minimum gearing to over gearing.

An interesting thought (IMO at least) is that scob savage was released after regular scob, since we didn't get any higher level gear than 110, anybody that completed scob (which you had to in order to attempt savage) was automatically "overgeared" for savage according to your logic, even though many people didn't clear it until the next set of gear came out. Hell, iirc we didn't even get server first clears on leviathan until those groups were done farming fcob.

Edit: Indeed, savage scob was released in July 2014, fcob in October 2014, Leviathan t9 savage server first clear was feb 2015, a full 7 months after it came out. Lucrezia got it Aug 2014, no surprise there I guess, everyone else had to be 20 levels overgeared lol

What? Why would anyone that completed ScoB automatically be overgeared for ScoB savage by my logic? I didn't say anything even close to that in any of my previous posts. ^^ What I said is that at a certain ilvl the gear check is pretty much gone, and that point is certainly reached when people speed run/solo heal/7-man stuff, when tanks can wear full slaying and tank in dps stance 100% of the fight and still meet hp thresholds for tank busters, when 3 dps can meet the dps check (see 7-man carries/sales). At what ilvl that point is reached completely depends on the content and what ilvl it's tuned for. ScoB was tuned for i90, and it was beaten in i90. World 1st t9 from blue garter had an average group ilvl of exactly i100, but was beaten in full i90 by lucrezia later on. ScoB savage however was tuned for i110, even if it dropped gear of that same ilvl, which pretty much means that yes, in i130 people were overgeared for it.

Besides that, the reason why not many groups beat ScoB savage before they had full i130 gear was mainly because they had no interest in it, the abundance of better gear rewards was one major reason for this. After FcoB, which wasn't that hard at all frankly, a lot of raid groups had nothing to do until 3.0 so they attempted savage. That's what my group did, too. I also know of alot of groups that cleared ScoB savage in i130 pretty quickly and then went back to do it in i110 for the original challenge.