A serious gameing issue

[Gilraen]

The 'not players' fault' card doesn't really free any fault. Just because you're moonlighting doesn't mean you can be jerks about it. I mean, after all, we were all that newbie once. Did the players moonlighting then treat us that way? I know I never treated newbies that badly. I paid it forward, like I was taught in early 2.0, in 1.0 and in XI. So, no, it IS players' faults for being jerks because noone is making them act like it. Maybe we'd have less proliferation of jerks if people would stop acting like it.

[Iromi]

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It's not about treating people badly. It is about the developers forcing people to help others by putting tomes and by the only way and best way to get them is by forcing to help newbs. Notice I said newbs, meaning..new players, not noobs, which are jerks at any level, etc. I am not going to get offended and go off on a rant here just because my entire post was misinterpreted, but I will say something that I said previously..again ^^

I love helping people, and gladly will help anyone..as long as I am given the choice. Do not lock gear/items/relic/tomes behind stuff that requires you to help newbs. In FFXI I had a LS dedicated to helping others and new players...nothing wrong with that. So once again, the problem is and I will stand by thinking this, the developers locking our stuff behind the DF roulette.

Really don't see how it is us being a jerk for being forced to back track on old content to get our relic weapons. Being forced to get new stuff is not really the best way to do it. They need to add new content for the new stuff..instead of making people go back and do the old stuff. Now, if you could take a group of veterans and do old content...that is fine. Or if it is still relevant.

But what the OP is saying , is that he is frustrated because veteran players get mixed in with brand new players and their opinions clash, and rightfully so. A newbie here has his first time there..he should not have to rush and expect to be as experienced as a veteran, and then the veteran on the other hand has done this dungeon 283948293043 times and just wants to get it over with. Still don't see the issue with this? ^^;

I never ever force people to play my way, I just go along and do whatever..but not everyone is like me, and I do not blame them.

What is the point of trials? It is to help new people clear it and it gives the tome flavour of the patch. No...if I want to help people, do not force me by putting my tomes in there, let me do it out of the kindness of my heart, or exp, or god forbid it has some useful item there.

All around it is just simply a bad system. The DF needs to be changed up, let veterans play with veterans, and newbies play with newbies, I don't know what else to do. Or ditch the DF and PF only...but then people would get upset with having to wait/low server population/etc.

[Kosmos992k]

Now we all encourage new people to join the FFXIV family but when they get here high level tanks has this bad....Sastasha level 15 the very first dungeon soon as you come in and everyone is new you start pulling EVERYTHING a new healer can't keep up and you die then you start calling them stupid or whatever. My question is what make you think you can force someone who just starting to be on your level? And unless there's a hidden achievement for speed running and missing half the exp for new players... What's the point of doing it? *getting popcorn* I'll wait for it....

The only advice I have for new players is this; find friends, find a good FC, run content with friends or FC mates, ignore idiots in PUGs, and vent to others on your FC chat if someone ticks you off.

[Greedalox]

I tried to level a Marauder, kept getting pulled off of by a synced DPS and the healer yelled at me for it and called me trash Q.Q

I went back to DPS. xD

[Iromi]

I tried to level a Marauder, kept getting pulled off of by a synced DPS and the healer yelled at me for it and called me trash Q.Q

I went back to DPS. xD

Yeah see, it is def a problem. No one has fun getting name called..because again, SE mixes older players with newer ones. It's just not fun :/

[Greedalox]

Yeah see, it is def a problem. No one has fun getting name called..because again, SE mixes older players with newer ones. It's just not fun :/

I'm being dramatic, it wasn't that traumatic even though it happened exactly as I explained. I'm also a veteran player who has been playing for a very very long time, so I feel I'd have a certain resilience to letting it make me feel I should unsub. I don't know if an actual new player Marauder/Gladiator could be as thick skinned.

[Gilraen]

Yeah see, it is def a problem. No one has fun getting name called..because again, SE mixes older players with newer ones. It's just not fun :/

But that's the point of Roulette, to get players together so that new players can clear content without having to sit in hour long queues as was rampant before Roulette. New or old should matter for naught, we're all people playing the same game trying to get to the same end. Being a jerk shouldn't be a factor as, again, noone's forcing them to be jerks except their own lack of sympathy towards their fellow players. I don't understand why anyone would defend that outside of, maybe, a similar dislike towards new players. I, personally, want to see MORE new players, but for that to be a constant we need to stop defending the jerks and start treating them like the disease they are.

[Kosmos992k]

Yeah see, it is def a problem. No one has fun getting name called..because again, SE mixes older players with newer ones. It's just not fun :/

No, the problem is not the mixing of old players and new, nor is that SE's problem either. SE did not create this issue, players and their behavior did. The problem is the expectations of some of the people using Duty Roulette. If you Queue for Duty Roulette you are explicitly saying that you want to run a lower level dungeon with a newer player in order to help that player. That is the purpose of Duty Roulette, to attract old players to help new ones move ahead in the game. You're rewarded for your time, and you can feel satisfaction at helping.

However there are too many, far too many people, who use Duty Roulette as a way to obtain specific rewards, and not as a way of paying it forward to help. People who run Duty Roulette and behave like jerks are pretty much the dregs of our community, not only are they harming the game by deterring new players, but they are cynically exploiting a provision made for both new players and those who actually do want to help new players.

Duty Finder is not much better. It's a matching system to allow players without a group to find a group. When you see the message about someone being a first timer, your expectations of a speed run, or veteran pro-bro play should vanish and be replaced by a far more cooperative and helpful outlook. You Queued in Duty Finder, you knew the risks, you could get anything in the group you are matched to, so deal with it and move on. Behaving like a jerk to new players in Duty Finder is just as effective a means of discouraging new players as it is in Duty Roulette. I guess there is at least the excuse that you were not explicitly Queuing to help new players.

Any expectation of a speed run, or high skill, highly geared players should be limited to your premade or PF groups, at least you go into that eyes wide open. Duty Finder is a means for anyone to find a group, if you think otherwise, you're just plain wrong.

[xXRaineXx]

Play in JP servers. Tanks still single pull 80% of my EXR runs... SMN/BRD/WHM who was doing 400DPS while healing, yet single pulls the entire dungeon.