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  1. #1
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    Zumi's Avatar
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Please learn your classes.

    The game is now based primarily around parties. Don't get to 30+ in a Gladiator and not know what Provoke is and expect me to NOT kick you from the party. The same goes for CNJ and healing...for the love of god, learn your roles...please...
    Maybe you should learn that provoke doesn't do crap because the hate system is so very broken lol
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    Dubont Matteus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Maybe you should learn that provoke doesn't do crap because the hate system is so very broken lol
    Provoke and taunt, as well as cover, actually worked well when they would use it....but it took me dying 4 times before they even knew the moves existed....
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    Healer strike is ridiculously foolish and accomplishes nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Provoke and taunt, as well as cover, actually worked well when they would use it....but it took me dying 4 times before they even knew the moves existed....
    Odds are if you are leveling gladiator you won't even have taunt anyway because that requires leveling pug. From what I seen even if you use Provoke it is so weak that often the mob will continue to hit whoever has the most hate usually the healer because of broken enmity mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Odds are if you are leveling gladiator you won't even have taunt anyway because that requires leveling pug. From what I seen even if you use Provoke it is so weak that often the mob will continue to hit whoever has the most hate usually the healer because of broken enmity mechanics.
    Well, the GLA's job is to tank...if curing acquires more hate than voke, Gla's should cure to tank....instead, this guy equips DD gear and a row full of damage enhancing skills....and doesn't know how to tank >.>
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    Healer strike is ridiculously foolish and accomplishes nothing

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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Well, the GLA's job is to tank...if curing acquires more hate than voke, Gla's should cure to tank....instead, this guy equips DD gear and a row full of damage enhancing skills....and doesn't know how to tank >.>
    There in lies another problem with FFXIV. In order to tank you say you need cure? That requires leveling a mage class. A tank class should really be self sufficient and not need any abilities from other classes to do the role that it is intended to do. A lot of people only have gladiator leveled and never touched anything else. If your just starting out theres a good chance of that happening its your first class to level. You won't tank because provoke doesn't do much in the way of hate generation so really your just a bad dps class with a 1h sword.

    Something SE really should fix classes should be able to stand on their own.
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    Meneyota Kunyaa
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Well, the GLA's job is to tank...if curing acquires more hate than voke, Gla's should cure to tank....instead, this guy equips DD gear and a row full of damage enhancing skills....and doesn't know how to tank >.>

    So in otherwords, you're telling us the armory system is working as intended?

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    Medura Bloodspiller
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    Moogle
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Provoke: yah, very great skill, for 5 seconds, if it goes on longer than that, a cure is better.
    Cover: a great skill that almost noone knows about, super for helping people that got high enmity not to die, mostly used in a combination of PL though :/
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    Strykh Jern
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    Ragnarok
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    Weaver Lv 50
    Last I leveled GLA (through pl, mind you! ohoho) I was pondering over how Cover worked. If it was like in FFXI where it lasts for a duration or if it is active only for one attack, like so many other skills in this game.

    I never got around to trying it out, because it was never really neccessary. Even while grinding on regular mobs without a pl there was never any danger so I focused on stacking offensive skills, trying not to be a waste of space rather.

    Anyway, I tried to look it up, but sadly all the fansites are so terribly lacking for this game. Most of them only have a straight up copy-paste of the tooltip.

    Anyway, I still don't know the exact effect, because then the patch was released. GLA became weak and pug awesome, huzzah!
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    Tony Tony
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    If you have such an issue with people with lesser skill or whatever you're blaming it on, maybe you should just stick to parties with your linkshell instead of playing with a pick up group. Hide away and don't socialize with anyone else. You'd be doing your server a service.
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    Dubont Matteus
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeePee View Post
    If you have such an issue with people with lesser skill or whatever you're blaming it on, maybe you should just stick to parties with your linkshell instead of playing with a pick up group. Hide away and don't socialize with anyone else. You'd be doing your server a service.
    Oh look..white knights coming to defend the idiots who have no idea how to play their job. Let me guess, you are a 22 GLA and never even looked at the skills that you SHOULD be using? Go learn how to play your job then come back.
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    Healer strike is ridiculously foolish and accomplishes nothing

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