A cry to the community

[UmJammerSully]

Here's a crazy idea...And correct me if it sounds stupid...

But how about instead of kicking people who don't play their "roles" correctly, you give them advice on how to better utilize their classes? It's really not that hard.

[feint2021]

Here's a crazy idea...And correct me if it sounds stupid...

But how about instead of kicking people who don't play their "roles" correctly, you tell them what they need to do? It's really not that hard.

He mentioned that....

[KRose]

But how about instead of kicking people who don't play their "roles" correctly, you give them advice on how to better utilize their classes? It's really not that hard.

lol did you even read the thread?

[KRose]

What the OP was trying to argue was simply from an elitist standpoint which, in the state that XIV and the player base is in, has no validity whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure what he was trying to argue was the fact the Gladiator didn't use Provoke/Cover, was told about Provoke/Cover, used them for one fight and then refused to use them from that point forward because they didn't want hit.

I'm all for letting people play the way they want but get real. You mean to tell me if you invited a Gladiator to tank and they refused to after you got to camp and started fighting that you wouldn't kick them? You can give pointers on how to play a class all you want but if they don't take it in then it doesn't matter.

This idiot let me die 4 times because he wouldn't provoke. When I confronted him about it, he didn't even know what it was. I asked him to use it. He said ok. Next fight, he uses it. It works. The next time, he doesn't use it...I die. I ask why he didn't use it...I get "The move makes the enemy hit me. I don't want to be hit."

I don't like the way he went about it with the whole pissy attitude thing but imo it's valid.

[kensredemption]

I'm all for letting people play the way they want but get real. You mean to tell me if you invited a Gladiator to tank and they refused to after you got to camp and started fighting that you wouldn't kick them? You can give pointers on how to play a class all you want but if they don't take it in then it doesn't matter.

Well, it's not like there's not unique situations like that. You can't rub all lowbie players the same way, after all. That's just plain ignorant. In any case, if they're eager to play their roles right: It'll show. Sometimes it'll seem like you're talking to a brick wall, but they'll fight for it if they really want it.

[akisato]

Please learn your classes.

The game is now based primarily around parties. Don't get to 30+ in a Gladiator and not know what Provoke is and expect me to NOT kick you from the party. The same goes for CNJ and healing...for the love of god, learn your roles...please...

Not gonna matter it will be a diffrent game in a year we will all need to relearn our class then anyway also this never works if they wanted to learn to play their class they would have done it already stop being an A**

[Aleczan]

If a person insists upon playing in a party as he pleases without trying to accommodate the party and do the role in the party, they should go back to solo or duo or whatever, so they won't get in the way of a party or ruin it for everyone in the party.

Also, people who want to be in a party should KNOW, or at least be willing to LEARN to play as a team player. Period.


Also, I wish I could "like" this opinion 10 times. 1 like is not enough.

Players don't need to be perfect but should at least know how to use their skills.

To the OP: Seems like you just ran into a bad player. Bad luck of you. This is why I don't party with strangers. You never know if the person is going to screw your party or not. Better luck next time! And let me tell you a story.

Back in FFXI, I used to run into a party where tank refused to Provoke. Mages kept dying because the only person with Provoke wouldn't provoke whatsoever. He didn't want to get hit and risk dying, he said. He insisted upon not provoking and ignored whatever reason and party mechanism we tried so hard to explain.

So we decided that BLM and melee DD should stop pulling hate and just let the monster stay on the guy, and WHM must stop curing UNLESS the tank provokes. We told him if he wants a Cure he must Provoke. He asked why WHM is not curing him, we have the WHM reply "Because I don't want to get hit. I get hit when I cure you."

And we cured him only when he used Provoke, seriously. After dying a few times and losing a large amount of EXP, he learnt to tank properly and started to use Provoke on regular basis.

[Isanien]

Please learn your classes.

The game is now based primarily around parties. Don't get to 30+ in a Gladiator and not know what Provoke is and expect me to NOT kick you from the party. The same goes for CNJ and healing...for the love of god, learn your roles...please...

If people are going to "learn their roles" for partying, then first you have to allow for parties to happen so people can get some practice. At least in my experience, it's been veeeery difficult to get low level parties.
Also, people who have more experience with certain party roles should lend a hand to those who don't. It really doesn't take that long, especially when people are willing to listen. It bothers me a ton when people just say "omg n00b" and kick people or leave the party without even providing constructive feedback.

[Etheos]

Please learn your classes.

The game is now based primarily around parties. Don't get to 30+ in a Gladiator and not know what Provoke is and expect me to NOT kick you from the party. The same goes for CNJ and healing...for the love of god, learn your roles...please...

Cool story bro.

[Taokii]

Now based primarily around parties? I have honestly no clue what you are talking about. With the exception of "end-game" quests and dungeons that require four people you really don't NEED to have a huge party. My friend and I duo together all the time and have never had a problem.