Vote kick needs to be adjusted

[Ashelia_Ferron]

But you could restrict a little more the vote kick and it would still keep all of its pros.

Like I said in my previous post, make it so that you need more people for the "majority". In cases when one people is really harrassing, or in case where he's just AFK, it wouldn't be difficult to gather a few more "yes".

But then that means in a 4 man dungeon, if anyone brings just one friend along, they would be un-kickable

[Reynhart]

But then that means in a 4 man dungeon, if anyone brings just one friend along, they would be un-kickable

Yes, if anyone brings a friend and decides to be really toxic to the point where you wouldn't continue your duty, maybe you would need to vote abandon.
And if they're stupid enough to deny the abandon, thus wasting their time as much as yours, then maybe you would need to withdraw from the duty...

It's not like every duty goes that way...

[SinisterJointss]

For the thought on harassment, some tanks are so anal about them being the ones that pull they consider anything else griefing, which is considered harassment.

Dont give idiots more ideas.....

[ruskie]

Honestly the amount of times I've accidentally shot an arrow at an enemy or have walked two steps too far and aggroed a bunch is embarrassing, so... yes accidents do happen.

*goes hide in the corner* T2 - we get to ADS - waiting for enrage - I go to focus target it... hit X one time to many...

But I'm kinda glad that now if I accidentally trigger auto attack - nothing happens since we don't have those with WM...

[MaethusXion]

Dont give idiots more ideas.....

They came up with these as soon as vote-kick was put in. I've been in a party where the tank said those words in not so polite phrasing after the kick went through. Facepalmed, left, re-qued with FC friends so I wouldn't have to deal with idiots like that.

[Jetstream_Fox]

That would require a constant moderation of the game, which is not even remotely feasible. Putting aside the obscene costs associated with such a system's implementation, it still comes down to subjectivity interpretation of the scenario, not to mention it would take forever. What you're asking for isn't realistic. The vote kick is fine. You just happened to come across a jerk. That's all.

As someone who has leveled Paladin to 50 as my original main tank pre HW as well as Scholar to 50, Bard to 60 and Dark Knight to 60, I've played enough of each class in the trinity to understand the logic of someone's choice behind a removal. Pulling to much? Yes. Underpreforming dps? Yes. Improper healing management? Yes. Standing in front of a tank and having the mobs spot you? No. Checking out stats on a drop? No. You don't label someone as a jerk and send them out with a harassment vote kick for accidents and gear checks. Me getting kicked for that is like a Bard pulling aggro because they kept Foe's on for a few seconds longer coming up on a new mob and getting removed. It's completely absurd.

What I'm asking for isn't impossible either, we pay money for this game and it should be going to expanding not just the development team but the game management team as well, that way the game isn't suffering from the continual label of having a toxic and unfriendly Duty Finder/Community. If my monthly payment has to increase to provide a smoother more stable environment then so be it, I'll gladly help create jobs for people.

But suggesting that the vote kick is fine, tells me either you're one of those players who could be toxic or don't see the fact that it's so broken and abused, that if this discussion happened within the DF that I could vote kick you out simply because we have a difference of views or vice versa without any actual ground to justify it. Trust me I get it, you have your opinions on stuff and I have mine, it's no skin off my back.

When something so mindlessly trivial leads to people getting removed something is obviously wrong with the system put in place, this system needs to be changed and addressed, we as a community, a paying community, shouldn't allow things that aren't not just to ruin each others experience, since what happened to me could easily happen to you. Policing each other obviously doesn't work with such loosely defined reasons for removal, having the "I'm going to kick you because reasons" ability shouldn't even be allowed, yet it's present and it shouldn't be that way period.

Before writing this I was in a run where a healer got mad and wanted to vote kick the tank because the tank kept rolling on tank drops, that truthful he didn't need outside of exchanging for seals. Found out the healer wanted to gear up his tank, yet the healer didn't speak up and say they wanted the items, yet a vote kick happened, though we didn't remove the tank, the healer left us in final fight. Should we have removed the tank? No, he did nothing wrong. Should I have been removed because a mob happened to turn around and see me before the tank? No, but it happened and it shouldn't.

We all deserve a better more functional vote kick, there are times it works and times it doesn't, even if you or anyone else thinks differently, it doesn't change the fact it is easily abused and we all deserve better.

[MeiUshu]

@Jetstream_fox

Where have you been hiding ? I mean ..FINALLY someone that agrees with me on this particular subject...Goodness me !!!! FINALLY.....

claps claps claps...

[Eidolon]

But then that means in a 4 man dungeon, if anyone brings just one friend along, they would be un-kickable

Incorrect. They are still kickable. They have to bring two friends to be unkickable, and here's why:

You can still kick them if the other person in a 4-man party agrees with you. So let me give you an example.

Person A, Person B, Person, C, and Person D

A and B are freinds. C and D are random DF-pugs.

Person A is acting like a piece of ****.
Person C initiates a Vote Kick. Person D agrees, Person B Disagrees. Person A is kicked.

The only thing bringing a friend in 4-man means is that you're garunteed a successful vote kick if you vote dismiss. This is why my partner and I always vote kick first if we have issues with someone and take control of the dungoun.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

My post was in response to the person who said they wanted it to take more votes to kick

[Eidolon]

Now, as for my thoughts on this system:

I think the system as it currently is, is perfectly fine. Yes, it can be abused by people. I think the GM's code of conduct for a vote dismiss should be updated, but I think the system (in and of itself) is working well and as it's intended. Attempting to make it so that you require a 100% vote as some people suggested (3/4 members voting yes) just means that exactly what you're worried about would come true - bringing 1 friend along means you wont' be able to vote dismiss them.

This is not necessarily an incorrect option, but rather, it's an alternative. Which do we think would be less likely to be abused? Do you really think the people you're consistently kicking have friends? I know most of the people I kick from my party don't.

Heck, just last night, we were running a normal party. My partner, a Dragoon at the time, noticed the Dark Knight didnt' have Darkside up. So they politely just said "Darkside" on the way to the pull. This guy proceeded to say "Gee thanks mom" as well as attempting to kick them for "Trolling."

IT was, of course, denied.

He then proceeded to get kicked. by a 3/3 majority vote. But even if it hadn't been a majority, we woudl've kicked him as the 2 of us would've voted yes on it.

To say the least: If you get kicked from a party, at least 2 people thought you needed to be kicked (in a 4man.)
To say the leasT: If two people don't want you around, regardless if they're freinds or just trolling, do you really want to be around those people in duty finder?

(Also just wanna add I'm pretty sure you don't get a CD for getting kicked, I'd love to see proof of this.)