Vote kick needs to be adjusted

[Kaiden019]

And how do you purpose this gets fixed? There is no way to stop "Toxic" players. They can't implement a system that says "Oh this person is rude so we won't consider his kick." It's vote based. If everyone else votes for it then it happens. It is a pretty straight forward system.

[Jetstream_Fox]

And how do you purpose this gets fixed? There is no way to stop "Toxic" players. They can't implement a system that says "Oh this person is rude so we won't consider his kick." It's vote based. If everyone else votes for it then it happens. It is a pretty straight forward system.

Rather simple since we can only vote kick for cheating, afk, offline and harassment. Each vote kick should be reviewed by a gm, the healer had vote kick placed on them for afk, simply for checking stats out on a drop, I can only guess the tank vote kicked me for harassment because I ran into a mob. Neither of these are forms of afk or harassment.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Rather simple since we can only vote kick for cheating, afk, offline and harassment. Each vote kick should be reviewed by a gm, the healer had vote kick placed on them for afk, simply for checking stats out on a drop, I can only guess the tank vote kicked me for harassment because I ran into a mob. Neither of these are forms of afk or harassment.

That would require a constant moderation of the game, which is not even remotely feasible. Putting aside the obscene costs associated with such a system's implementation, it still comes down to subjectivity interpretation of the scenario, not to mention it would take forever. What you're asking for isn't realistic. The vote kick is fine. You just happened to come across a jerk. That's all.

[Jetstream_Fox]

That would require a constant moderation of the game, which is not even remotely feasible. Putting aside the obscene costs associated with such a system's implementation, it still comes down to subjectivity interpretation of the scenario, not to mention it would take forever. What you're asking for isn't realistic. The vote kick is fine. You just happened to come across a jerk. That's all.

As someone who has leveled Paladin to 50 as my original main tank pre HW as well as Scholar to 50, Bard to 60 and Dark Knight to 60, I've played enough of each class in the trinity to understand the logic of someone's choice behind a removal. Pulling to much? Yes. Underpreforming dps? Yes. Improper healing management? Yes. Standing in front of a tank and having the mobs spot you? No. Checking out stats on a drop? No. You don't label someone as a jerk and send them out with a harassment vote kick for accidents and gear checks. Me getting kicked for that is like a Bard pulling aggro because they kept Foe's on for a few seconds longer coming up on a new mob and getting removed. It's completely absurd.

What I'm asking for isn't impossible either, we pay money for this game and it should be going to expanding not just the development team but the game management team as well, that way the game isn't suffering from the continual label of having a toxic and unfriendly Duty Finder/Community. If my monthly payment has to increase to provide a smoother more stable environment then so be it, I'll gladly help create jobs for people.

But suggesting that the vote kick is fine, tells me either you're one of those players who could be toxic or don't see the fact that it's so broken and abused, that if this discussion happened within the DF that I could vote kick you out simply because we have a difference of views or vice versa without any actual ground to justify it. Trust me I get it, you have your opinions on stuff and I have mine, it's no skin off my back.

When something so mindlessly trivial leads to people getting removed something is obviously wrong with the system put in place, this system needs to be changed and addressed, we as a community, a paying community, shouldn't allow things that aren't not just to ruin each others experience, since what happened to me could easily happen to you. Policing each other obviously doesn't work with such loosely defined reasons for removal, having the "I'm going to kick you because reasons" ability shouldn't even be allowed, yet it's present and it shouldn't be that way period.

Before writing this I was in a run where a healer got mad and wanted to vote kick the tank because the tank kept rolling on tank drops, that truthful he didn't need outside of exchanging for seals. Found out the healer wanted to gear up his tank, yet the healer didn't speak up and say they wanted the items, yet a vote kick happened, though we didn't remove the tank, the healer left us in final fight. Should we have removed the tank? No, he did nothing wrong. Should I have been removed because a mob happened to turn around and see me before the tank? No, but it happened and it shouldn't.

We all deserve a better more functional vote kick, there are times it works and times it doesn't, even if you or anyone else thinks differently, it doesn't change the fact it is easily abused and we all deserve better.

[Kaiden019]

Rather simple since we can only vote kick for cheating, afk, offline and harassment. Each vote kick should be reviewed by a gm, the healer had vote kick placed on them for afk, simply for checking stats out on a drop, I can only guess the tank vote kicked me for harassment because I ran into a mob. Neither of these are forms of afk or harassment.

That is completely impossible. SE would have to hire an absurd amount of GMs to monitor vote kicks. From a business stand point it makes no sense to hire that amount of staff for one aspect of the game.

I get it. Getting kicked sucks. But there is nothing more that can be done for the system. It works the same in any MMO and I doubt it will ever change.

[NoahArks]

Rather simple since we can only vote kick for cheating, afk, offline and harassment. Each vote kick should be reviewed by a gm, the healer had vote kick placed on them for afk, simply for checking stats out on a drop, I can only guess the tank vote kicked me for harassment because I ran into a mob. Neither of these are forms of afk or harassment.

That would mean a 24/7 surveilance in a team of atleast 20 people. You know how many votekick a day happens?

[MaethusXion]

Truth Behind Vote Dismiss
1- In Low Party dungeons/trials, only ONE other person has to vote 'yes', 2/3 for majority.
2- In Full Party trials/raids, THREE people need to vote 'yes', 4/7 for majority.
3- Automatically it counts (Party Minus One) because obviously the person getting voted on would vote 'no', and they don't count.

To OP: Sadly it could've been the other DPS, the Healer, or both that voted to kick you. For the thought on harassment, some tanks are so anal about them being the ones that pull they consider anything else griefing, which is considered harassment. Then there's the whole "GMs don't interfere on play styles disputes" thing, which is what I would assume the majority of the people they talk to about those claim that. Since the GMs aren't allowed to disclose the results of the investigations, we'll never really know the "normal" excuse.

[SinisterJointss]

For the thought on harassment, some tanks are so anal about them being the ones that pull they consider anything else griefing, which is considered harassment.

Dont give idiots more ideas.....

[MaethusXion]

Dont give idiots more ideas.....

They came up with these as soon as vote-kick was put in. I've been in a party where the tank said those words in not so polite phrasing after the kick went through. Facepalmed, left, re-qued with FC friends so I wouldn't have to deal with idiots like that.

[Youkulm]

Soooo basically you were kicked for running ahead of the tank and pulling mobs? I see no problem.

Yeah sure the Tank was a jerk for trying to kick the healer while he was checking stats on a piece of gear, but why were you pulling mobs? Was he really making you wait that long?

As a healer, I'm sorry, but depending on the situation you're not only annoying the tank you're annoying me. If someone persisted to do this after being asked to stopped I would vote kick yes. Should he have asked you to stop? Yes. Did he? No. Yes it was a jerk move but so is pulling mobs ahead of the tank.

Would you like it if someone did this to you as you were tanking? As always... treat others the way you wish to be treated and lead by example.

It sucks you got kicked from the duty, but it happens. Not everyone is going to be peaches and cream in DF.