Can a ninja explain this to me

[Viridiana]

If you apply my method you don't except for the encounters where you load from start with a boss looking at you and even then your nitpicking your refresh would be well in time for dps to benefit.

Which is every instance that the OP was probably asking about. Again, no one's really talking about using a pulling macro outside of Thorax, Savage, and maybe RavEx. The only one of those where you might be able to maintain Huton from one pull to another is A1S, but you'll be waiting on other people's CDs and can't maintain Huton long enough to go into the fight without having hard refreshed. So if you want to give him advice about a situation he's probably not asking about, sure. Just don't be surprised when people point it out.

[Morbid]

Which is every instance that the OP was probably asking about. Again, no one's really talking about using a pulling macro outside of Thorax, Savage, and maybe RavEx. The only one of those where you might be able to maintain Huton from one pull to another is A1S, but you'll be waiting on other people's CDs and can't maintain Huton long enough to go into the fight without having hard refreshed. So if you want to give him advice about a situation he's probably not asking about, sure. Just don't be surprised when people point it out.

Well the fact that he only said static in addition to the method being plausible leaves my post valid. As valid as any suggestions you give him and again I state if you can manage Huton with AC efficiently 1min is enough time to get to boss and engage.

Thanks... done here

[softestPAWSintheEAST]

i still prefer the suiton after DE opener and mug+jug together to fit in the TA window

[Houston009]

i still prefer the suiton after DE opener and mug+jug together to fit in the TA window

Still requires 15s after huton (15s pull macro), which the guy above you fails to understand that giving ninja 15-20s(after huton) is extremely optimal for the raid.

I like suiton after DE/AE aswell, do either/or depending on current latency.

[MrCookTM]

i still prefer the suiton after DE opener and mug+jug together to fit in the TA window

I like suiton DE/AE aswell

That's fine and all, but please elaborate on the reasons. Yes I'm pretty stubborn here, but I just fail to understand why you would prefer something that's proven to be mathematically worse, while not having any other kind of benefit in exchange. I just don't get it.

[softestPAWSintheEAST]

That's fine and all, but please elaborate on the reasons. Yes I'm pretty stubborn here, but I just fail to understand why you would prefer something that's proven to be mathematically worse, while not having any other kind of benefit in exchange. I just don't get it.

as stated by houston, i like that it gets buffed by b4b/ir/pot/lit/foes. ive hit like 2000+ suitons before. im sure in the long run it really doesn't matter and it all evens out anyways

its really just personal preference and what im used to i guess

[Gogomeowmeow]

I think this is what thinks during it : He'd use DE to proc the 10% def down first so that when trick attack comes after it hits for 440 potency rather than 400 since DE pot is a lower number so youd get less out of it if it were to be flipped around. And hes also fitting mug and jug in since its going to be multiplied damage for it while not effecting his weaponskills at all. He also has dancing edge out of the way and can just try and ham the dog shit out of it with AE like its going out of style because the window is very short.

Meow.

[Houston009]

That's fine and all, but please elaborate on the reasons. Yes I'm pretty stubborn here, but I just fail to understand why you would prefer something that's proven to be mathematically worse, while not habing any other kind of benefit in exchange. I just don't get it.

I said I like it, not that I prefer it. I like opening with suiton.

If you wanna know the actual benefits of suiton after DE/AE its that suiton gets fully buffed by B4B/IR/Pot(Not sure if Foe is on target if suiton is first attack). Not that I'd weigh it over opening with suiton, but you asked.

[Greywolfamakir]

I said I like it, not that I prefer it. I like opening with suiton.

If you wanna know the actual benefits of suiton after DE/AE its that suiton gets fully buffed by B4B/IR/Pot(Not sure if Foe is on target if suiton is first attack). Not that I'd weigh it over opening with suiton, but you asked.

Suiton should be used asap, but TA should be used after 3-5 GCDs because DPS jobs need around 3-5 GCDs of preparation during opener, I mean:
MNK; 5 GCDs for full buffed. (3xGS + DK + TW)
DRG; 3 GCDs for full buffed (Heavy Trust + Disembowel)
BLM; 3 GCDs preparation for Fire IV spam.
SMN: More than 5 GCDs for Trance.
BRD; 3 GCDs preparation (Straigh Shot + 2xDoTs)
MCH; 3 GCDs preparation for Wildfire opener (Hot Shot + Lead Shot + Split Shot)
WAR: 3 GCDs for full buffed (Maim + Storm Eye)

There is no reason for use TA before 3-4 GCDs.

[Callback]

Suiton should be used asap, but TA should be used after 3-5 GCDs because DPS jobs need around 3-5 GCDs of preparation during opener, I mean:
MNK; 5 GCDs for full buffed. (3xGS + DK + TW)
DRG; 3 GCDs for full buffed (Heavy Trust + Disembowel)
BLM; 3 GCDs preparation for Fire IV spam.
SMN: More than 5 GCDs for Trance.
BRD; 3 GCDs preparation (Straigh Shot + 2xDoTs)
MCH; 3 GCDs preparation for Wildfire opener (Hot Shot + Lead Shot + Split Shot)
WAR: 3 GCDs for full buffed (Maim + Storm Eye)

There is no reason for use TA before 3-4 GCDs.

In his defense, the Suiton opener still has you doing GCDx4 while holding the buff to enable TA before you actually pop it.