Why does Clemency get interrupted? And why does Sword/Shield Oath reset combo?

[Freyyy]

I meant using HG in sword oath vs the sword knight.
Killing that knight before it swaps, and you won't need any more CDs

That's exactly what I did with PLD there. Sword Oath vs Sword Oath knight, HG Holy Bladedance, go full DPS before it swaps back to shield and he dies. I do it with DRK too, no Grit, Living Dead. I only go tank stance if my knight is in Shield Oath because there is little to no point in doing more damage in that case. Honestly, if the Sword Oath knight doesn't die before swapping, your group's DPS is shit. After one knight dies, there is no Oath anymore, so the second knight hits like a wet noodle and you can eat Holy Bladedance totally naked without even your tanking stance.

[Februs]

I meant using HG in sword oath vs the sword knight.
Killing that knight before it swaps, and you won't need any more CDs

I know what you meant. I'm not disagreeing with you outright. I just don't find it necessary in most cases, and there are a couple other alternatives that work just as well.

I've done Sword Oath or No Oath against Sword Oath Knight using Sentinel/Shelltron. If your healer is on the ball, it's no problem. If your Hp is a little uncertain you can pop Fracture on top of that, but it's kind of overkill if the healer is paying attention. Another method is to use Shield Oath like a CD instead of stance. Pop Sentinel, Shelltron and Shield Oath, to take the hit, then drop Oath without switching to avoid interrupting your combo and keeping full potency on GB or RA (whichever happens to be next in your rotation). This is fine as well, because the tiny boost in Dps from Sword Oath Auto Attacks is hardly noticeable, and your Dps team should not need it to meet the check (if they do, then you need to find new Dps).

HG definitely makes things easier (one and done buttons always do), but the only time I find HG to be flat out necessary, or even a better option, is if my heals aren't up to snuff or my Hp is not capped. Otherwise I find it's better to save it for a CD refresh on one of the Heavenly Heels in a later phase.

[Raxiaz]

OK since we're talking about Thordan EX now... How is PLD supposed to survive the tank buster if they save Sentinel for the Knight's LB? Rampart + Shelltron?

[AI_wass]

Rampart+Sheltron is more than enough. Get your healers to Virus/Disable the Heels.

[Raxiaz]

Thanks. Will give that a go with my static next time we attempt to down it.

I don't trust PUGs.

[Februs]

Rampart+Sheltron is more than enough. Get your healers to Virus/Disable the Heels.

Exactly. Shelltron+Rampart = Dafaq is a Heavenly Heel? Hp might drop as low as around 50-60%, but that's nothing to worry about so long as your healers are on the ball. Dedicated healing during Heavenly Heel means not even worrying about it. If the healer casts Virus or throws up a buff like Stone Skin, HH is almost unnoticeable dmg.

It is a bit of a shame though. Back before the Tank meta changed to require Tanks to output maximum Dps, this would have been exactly the kind of fight in which moves like Clemency and Stoneskin would have been tremendous assets to a Pld (self-casting). You could free up your healers a little bit during each Heavenly Heel or Holy Blade Dance because you had the luxury of being able to self-buff. Now the onus is almost purely on the healers, because interrupting your Tank Dps for the sake of Tanking is against the meta, especially for Pld's who have the weakest Dps overall.

[Rhode]

This doesn't apply just to paladin, but when I have to go to upgrade my esoteric gear from 200 to 210, I shouldn't have to click "monk" category for my accessories. Something is wrong there and they need to address tank damage.

[KinSlayer009]

Incoming spike damage pld switches to shield oath, damage is mitigated immediate increase in effective health and effective healing.

Incoming spike damage war switches to defiance, dies as increase in effective health is not immediate.

pld uses a skill to activate his mitigation. Warrior needs to use a skill to benefit from his.

The only person in here that gets it. If they make it that shield oath and sword oath does not break the combo pld will use it as a defensive cool down. Then they will need to make that defiance also heals the hp you gain when you switch from deliverance to defiance. So that's why

[Maltothoris]

Regardless of Sword Oath and Shield Oath, clemency does need a change. Either faster cast time or a way to surecast it. Heck, pld just needs more chemistry with its oaths with specific traits unique to either stance Like in shield oath or something, all shield moves wouldn't suffer from the damage penalty or something like that.

[Brannigan]

Then they will need to make that defiance also heals the hp you gain when you switch from deliverance to defiance.

why?

Why not just have something paladin can do but warrior can't?