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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbreak View Post
    Ask people who play final fantasy record keeper why they need to use weapon breakdown/magic breakdown on 100+ difficulty contents
    I think Launched's point is that requiring 100% SP uptime doesn't actually change much besides lowering WAR's DPS a bit. This used to be a thing when bosses would actually hit hard relative to our eHP (ie SCoB Savage, T9, T12, T13) but keeping 100% SP uptime in itself wasn't really a challenge. What's truly missing from the current raids are hard hitting autos, cleaves that need to be mitigated, and tank busters that actually require tank stance. Currently everything hits like feathers and despite tanking being the easiest job in the game in 2.0, it's even easier in 3.0. I do hope that SE realized this from the progression in current Alex Savage and will be making adjustments to the next one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    What's truly missing from the current raids are hard hitting autos, cleaves that need to be mitigated, and tank busters that actually require tank stance. Currently everything hits like feathers and despite tanking being the easiest job in the game in 2.0, it's even easier in 3.0.
    This would put PLD in an even worse position than it currently is. PLD's pretty comparable to DRK in SwO, but it's about 20% less DPS in ShO than a Grit DRK; forcing PLD to fulltime ShO without changing anything else about the class would just push it even further into trash-tier. If SE eliminated tank DPS contributions to the calculated DPS checks, they'd also push the content in favor of WAR/DRK because they can get content on farm faster by helping the raid beat the check faster (while staying in tank stance).
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    #gitgud

    Ongoing mission: Tank everything on DRG. On purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fm_fenrir View Post
    This would put PLD in an even worse position than it currently is. PLD's pretty comparable to DRK in SwO, but it's about 20% less DPS in ShO than a Grit DRK; forcing PLD to fulltime ShO without changing anything else about the class would just push it even further into trash-tier.
    I thought it was generally assumed that PLD should get buffs to it's ShO DPS. :V So, yes, if they were to actually increase damage on the tanks they would also need to buff PLD's ShO DPS but they kinda need that regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    I thought it was generally assumed that PLD should get buffs to its ShO DPS. :V So, yes, if they were to actually increase damage on the tanks they would also need to buff PLD's ShO DPS but they kinda need that regardless.
    I feel like even if they increased Rage of Halone's enmity and potency, PLD would still be sitting about 9% behind Defiance WAR. ShO could reduce damage only from weaponskills to close that gap, almost exactly, but then WAR would probably need something in return (likely Defiance affecting ability-based healing; their own personal heals reduced proportionately to compensate).

    @fm_Fenrir's signature: By now I've tanked the majority of level 50 and all the 60 dungeons on DRG at one time or another (from the start all the way through, after first boss, or for all but last boss). Have tanked Titan HM back at 50 with another DRG, but that's it for my DRG-tanked raids, sadly. Sometimes I really wish Elusive Jump didn't drop enmity... Best of luck in your goon-tank efforts.
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