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    AzureFlare's Avatar
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    Lucille Lifeblossom
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    Cerberus
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
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    You forgot the part where, since heals and shields snapshot, you retain the benefit of buffed HoTs and shields when switching back to Deliverance compared to Grit/Sh.Oath. Very nitpicky I know, but it adds up pretty nicely over time, especially with Conval.
    Completely agree with your post regardless.
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    Sandamar's Avatar
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    Sandamar Delys
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I like your + - list Freyy it's actually pretty accurate. In my opinion having the benefit from your tanking stance instantly is actually one of the most important one because what's the point in using tanking stance if you don't get any defense out of it? That's the main utility of tank stance tbh.

    Inner Beast use one gcd so, ok tank swaping use 0 GCD but you'll use 1 afterward to use the most common tank buster defensive CD. While PLD and DRK will use 1 gcd to turn on a 20% damage reduction and their following CD will be off gcd. There's a slight balance if you take everything into consideration.

    For your information the damage penalty for war in defiance is 25% not 20% like shield oath and grit, so there goes another difference

    If you swap too late in defiance you're screwed, you miss a buffed stoneskin, a buffed adlo. So yeah it's actually a major downside, i don't see why it isn't. Pld and Drk can just turn on Shield Oath or grit during a tank buster cast bar and be perfectly fine, doing that as a war is actually a failure. And ofc war can slightly compensate with Inner Beast and Equilibrium but it's still a downside.
    Using Equilbrium to top yourself up before a tank buster is quite a failure and usually a huge overheal wasted,you'd be better off saving it for oh shit button once the buster hits.


    And Raxiaz i' m not only listing the 10 seconds CD, the major downside is that you dont' benefit instantly from your tanking stance. Which is quite a downside for a tank stance.

    All i'm saying is that stance dancing as war does have some downside it's not as perfect as people think. I'm not saying it's balanced between the 3 tanks though.
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    Freyyy's Avatar
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Moogle
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandamar View Post
    Inner Beast use one gcd so, ok tank swaping use 0 GCD but you'll use 1 afterward to use the most common tank buster defensive CD
    But as I said, yes IB is a GCD that you use afterwards, but it actually deals freaking 300 potency worth of damage ignoring Defiance's penalty while healing AND giving you 20% mitigation, whereas Grit/Shield Oath don't deal damage, don't heal you or whatever, it just gives you instantly 20% mitigation. And yeah, you have to turn Defiance on a bit earlier than what DRK/PLD would do with Shield Oath for tank busters, but keep in mind that because of the breaking combo shit for DRK and PLD, they have to do this too. You have to make sure to switch to your tanking stance before starting the next combo because breaking a combo with a non-damaging GCD is the worst DPS loss you can imagine.
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